Following Potential 2025 Draftees
- Thread starter Elizah Huge
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I dont think the measure is official.
This is the analysis I come here for.
I think Ill me more surprised if they pass on Malauch.
Already shown a willingness to get off Mark Williams. Malauch fits Ball.
VJ and LaMelo play the same position
seattlejazzfan
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i've always thought it was best to surround a guy like Lamelo with shooters. maybe VJ can become that. it would make for a big, dynamic back court for sure. ultimately, lamelo is hurt so often, maybe the fit with lamelo doesn't matter all that much in the long run.
I think the Tre and VJ as point guards in the NBA discussion is a little silly, but I at least gave it a chance. I watched the turnover and assist portions of their hardwood hoops videos and here are my notes:
- Neither player is running plays for their team or getting their team in an offense. Neither are asked to do enough to really say anything definitively. They both had a few PNR ballhandling possessions that I saw and both looked pretty good. Texas ran an off screen play for Tre where he would get the ball and pass it that was very effective. They both had a few drive and kicks, but in general weren't really breaking down the offense off the dribble very often.
- Tre Johnson is closer than VJ in having point guard level skills. I don't love his handle (aesthetically), but it seems to work for him. He definitely has a score first mentality, but is a willing passer out of double teams. He has some advanced anticipation of plays developing before they happen which is really interesting, but the volume on those type of plays is low. The majority of his turnovers are due to lazy passes and traveling violations. I would assume he can clean those up.
- VJ has a more point guard mentality than Tre. He is always looking up and ready to pass and get teammates involved. He is very good at entry passes and is capable of getting the ball to teammates through tight windows. The majority of his assists are connective passing stuff though. VJ has a long way to go in ball handling and vision to be a point guard though. He dribbles too high and gathers too quickly, he's not comfortable keeping his dribble alive. He has some cross overs and hesitations, so I don' t think he's as bad as some have talked about here, but he gets the ball poked. The best part of watching VJ turnovers is that they are often followed by a VJ highlight play to get a block or to go take the ball back.
I do think Tre has some potential to develop in to a Keyonte level point guard. Imagine Keyonte, but if he actually made shots. VJ as a point guard is a much bigger stretch based on the film I just watched.
View: https://youtu.be/5gRaJQG9zzQ?si=GAUsf3KCfKXAKHRO
View: https://youtu.be/5UXWyB82nRM?si=ojrqvQeQ_G4s0aj-
- Neither player is running plays for their team or getting their team in an offense. Neither are asked to do enough to really say anything definitively. They both had a few PNR ballhandling possessions that I saw and both looked pretty good. Texas ran an off screen play for Tre where he would get the ball and pass it that was very effective. They both had a few drive and kicks, but in general weren't really breaking down the offense off the dribble very often.
- Tre Johnson is closer than VJ in having point guard level skills. I don't love his handle (aesthetically), but it seems to work for him. He definitely has a score first mentality, but is a willing passer out of double teams. He has some advanced anticipation of plays developing before they happen which is really interesting, but the volume on those type of plays is low. The majority of his turnovers are due to lazy passes and traveling violations. I would assume he can clean those up.
- VJ has a more point guard mentality than Tre. He is always looking up and ready to pass and get teammates involved. He is very good at entry passes and is capable of getting the ball to teammates through tight windows. The majority of his assists are connective passing stuff though. VJ has a long way to go in ball handling and vision to be a point guard though. He dribbles too high and gathers too quickly, he's not comfortable keeping his dribble alive. He has some cross overs and hesitations, so I don' t think he's as bad as some have talked about here, but he gets the ball poked. The best part of watching VJ turnovers is that they are often followed by a VJ highlight play to get a block or to go take the ball back.
I do think Tre has some potential to develop in to a Keyonte level point guard. Imagine Keyonte, but if he actually made shots. VJ as a point guard is a much bigger stretch based on the film I just watched.
View: https://youtu.be/5gRaJQG9zzQ?si=GAUsf3KCfKXAKHRO
View: https://youtu.be/5UXWyB82nRM?si=ojrqvQeQ_G4s0aj-
VJ is a good set shooter (terrible off the dribble)....but the reason why he's seen as a great fit is the defense. Lamelo isn't going to need a defensive sidekick. You're going to want to surround he and Miller with guys who do the most with the least amount of touches. That could be an elite shooter or rim runner, but VJ is pretty ideal with them as well.
Hornets fans seem 100% locked in on VJ FWIW.
Tony who has both 76ers connections seems to think Ace will be there at 5.
Tre/Kon at 3 and VJ at 4
Tre/Kon at 3 and VJ at 4