Following Potential 2025 Draftees

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I didn't care much about whatever his model is per se. I just think the narrative of the big swing is dumb and guys been selling it so hard on X. Yes you need a great ball in hand guy... no it shouldn't be the sole focus of your draft and no you shouldn't stretch to force an okay ball in hand guy to be the "big swing" you need to take. Being great offball is a feature... not a bug to me. If I had a chance to take someone dynamic with the ball in their hand I would if the other stuff lines up. There are lots of ways to hit home runs in the draft.

The trade stuff Leif has been spewing is the stuff I roll my eyes at.

I haven't been listening to him. What trade things has he been talking about?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

amen. draft talk is fun, and this board does a great job of keeping the discussion moving, but it also becomes grating with everybody thinking they are right and know more about this crapshoot they call prospect evaluation than the next guy. to be clear, i'm as guilty as anybody.

But I am right and I know more than you so….

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I think we've probably already established the context for Yang is that he played on a team with other great rebounders and that he wasn't one of their primary options on offense.

Just for fun though I found this website: https://www.asia-basket.com/China/basketball.aspx

Here are the Boban Marjanovic stats per 40 minutes: 31.9pts/15.3reb/4.9ast

 

[HermanG]

If Ace drops I say we leverage the fact that we can trade with Brooklyn to get a free pick from Washington. We still get likely the same guy we would have picked at 5.

Dont want to actually deal with Brooklyn since I want Fears or Tre in that instance (assuming VJ is gone).

There is a chance they play us and dont pick Ace but take our guy instead.. and in that case we got Konned (or you could also say we got our Knueppels twisted).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I haven't been listening to him. What trade things has he been talking about?

Murphy, Holiday, JJJ, Zion...

I haven't listened a ton to Locke while he is there because it has become Locked on Tre Johnson.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If Ace drops I say we leverage the fact that we can trade with Brooklyn to get a free pick from Washington. We still get likely the same guy we would have picked at 5.

Dont want to actually deal with Brooklyn since I want Fears or Tre in that instance (assuming VJ is gone).

There is a chance they play us and dont pick Ace but take our guy instead.. and in that case we got Konned (or you could also say we got our Knueppels twisted).

This is the play. I think you'd have to have the right intel and Was could be bluffing but this is in their playbook from last year. I think NOP and Brooklyn also could be suitors there but like you said there is some risk there. I'm comfortable keeping Ace and figuring it out though so its a bluff on a bluff.

 

[KqWIN]

Andy basically dumped on a lot of the nonsense Leif has been selling regarding trades and the draft. Leif is a tough listen. He's been so hyperfocused on Tre and making the most ridiculous stretches to fit the love that for his sake I hope he doesn't suck.

Maybe the homer/stan argument appeals to a broader audience, but ironically I thought Andy did a better job arguing for Tre. He demonstrated that he has fair, measured POV and still has Tre high. For me, the most compelling argument is showing a strong process that landed on a conclusion rather than the other away around. Spamming terrible arguments to support a guy makes it look worse.

Or you could just use the analytical model of PPG.

 

[KqWIN]

I didn't care much about whatever his model is per se. I just think the narrative of the big swing is dumb and guys been selling it so hard on X. Yes you need a great ball in hand guy... no it shouldn't be the sole focus of your draft and no you shouldn't stretch to force an okay ball in hand guy to be the "big swing" you need to take. Being great offball is a feature... not a bug to me. If I had a chance to take someone dynamic with the ball in their hand I would if the other stuff lines up. There are lots of ways to hit home runs in the draft.

The trade stuff Leif has been spewing is the stuff I roll my eyes at.

I stg if you made an argument for why VJ, Kon, or another “safe” prospect could bust it would make them a “big swing” and thus have more potential to some people. It really doesn’t work that way.

I also find it hilarious that at this exact moment in time we don’t have the imagination to see players increasing their usage in the NBA. Shai and Hali were 22% and 20% usage guys coming into the NBA. Why are we putting such hard ceilings on players based on the roles they played in college?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Maybe the homer/stan argument appeals to a broader audience, but ironically I thought Andy did a better job arguing for Tre. He demonstrated that he has fair, measured POV and still has Tre high. For me, the most compelling argument is showing a strong process that landed on a conclusion rather than the other away around. Spamming terrible arguments to support a guy makes it look worse.

Or you could just use the analytical model of PPG.

We are like a week away from him saying Tre is kind of like Giannis.

 

[KqWIN]

My final board will be wild. I don't know if I will be ready to share...

Do it! Reject the wisdom of cowards!

 

[KqWIN]

We are like a week away from him saying Tre is kind of like Giannis.

When he said a cliffhanger that went “I have a comparison for Tre and I think you’re gonna love it” I just bursted out laughing. No, I don’t love that at all. It doesn’t make me excited about Tre. Instead, it makes me think about dropping him because I don’t want to have close to the same conclusion as this clown behavior.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

The tankathon height, is that based on with or without shoes?