Following Potential 2025 Draftees

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I can tell you… the Fears stuff is either the weirdest and most convincing smokescreen or very very real. I think there is a very real chance it happens and not sure it’s even a trade down thing.

I'm really hoping Fears is the Wizards guy and the Jazz are just putting all this smoke out there in order to move down from 5 to 6 and collect a couple of second round picks or something from the Wiz and then they can take their guy (hopefully Tre) at 6.

I swear though, if we lost 65 games just to take a 6'2 point guard that can't shoot or play defense.....

 

[stormkoopacv03]

If Ace falls to 5, we take him! He's a top 3 talent, believe it or not. Jazz tanked for this, for a top 3 talent.

Who knows, he might end up being like Tatum as a nba player.

 

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Simmons and Russillo think Danny secretly loves Ace.

Honestly... I think the same. His two big swings in the last decade have been on big long versatile wings and he offered 4 firsts to go get another supposed big long versatile wing. I think Ace is probably the only one that fits that description somewhat.

 

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A couple things I agree and disagree with from Locke's podcast today:

Agree
- The no workout/agent stuff shouldn't matter much. Maybe it solidifies some concerns you already had for him, but if he was your guy before, I think he should still be your guy now.
- Ace has low bust potential, there are just so many avenues for him to potentially help a team it's unlikely he's so bad he's out of the league. You have to suck really bad to not be in the NBA with his tools

Disagree
- Locke is very forgiving of players for having weaknesses related to youth. I think that's fine, but he goes to far. He often says something like "they all do this or they all don't do that". That's just not true. Some guys are ahead of others despite sharing youth. That doesn't mean someone like Ace can't close the gap or exceed them in the future, but you shouldn't discredit another player for being more mature and chances are if a player is ahead/behind now they stay that way. Not a guarantee, but it's a trend.
- "Ace can shoot".....well maybe. I think he is better than the percentages say, but at the end of the day he has mediocre 3FG%, bad FT%, and lowish volume. The indicators are what they are.
- "At worst he's a Jabari Smith". This is just a flaw in ceiling/floor talk. I get why people reference Jabari Smith as a bad outcome, but it's also possible for Ace to be a worse version of Jabari Smith. Tunneling on Jabari as a worst case scenario outcome is allowing comparisons to do too much heavy lifting.

Some people suffer from severe failure of imagination when it comes to predicting best and worst case scenarios. How is Jabari Smith (starter on a playoff team and still young and improving) the worst case scenario for Ace? Why is someone like ... Cam Reddish not a worst case scenario? Or Zaire Williams? Or Josh Jackson? Also I agree about his shooting... he looks like he can shoot but neither his 3p%, nor his FT% suggest a no brainer shooter.

 

[Basketball Novice]

Was listening to the No Ceilings guys and they were emphatic that the Jazz would not draft Ace.


View: https://www.youtube.com/live/-IUb-B_GwSU?si=i4oqKVdVnjDSikC6&t=2769


Could be nothing, could be something.

 

[KqWIN]

I can tell you… the Fears stuff is either the weirdest and most convincing smokescreen or very very real. I think there is a very real chance it happens and not sure it’s even a trade down thing.

Why would it be weird? I know we aren’t fans of Fears here, but he’s also been mocked right where we are for a while.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Could be. No weakness could ever be attributed to Tre himself.

How’s he supposed to attack the hoop with any regularity if he’s the only shooter on the team. I get it detractors are more inclined to blame the player and supporters are going to blame the team constructing. Somewhere there should be a happy medium. I mean he does need to get stronger but bad team construction isn’t going to help him attack with the same consistency as someone on a good or even decent team. He does have the tools to do it though and he probably will do it more over time in the nba.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

On one hand I think the Jazz will draft Ace and this is all an elaborate ruse, but Tony Jones seemed to think they wouldn't, and he's usually right

 

[KqWIN]

How’s he supposed to attack the hoop with any regularity if he’s the only shooter on the team. I get it detractors are more inclined to blame the player and supporters are going to blame the team constructing. Somewhere there should be a happy medium. I mean he does need to get stronger but bad team construction isn’t going to help him attack with the same consistency as someone on a good or even decent team. He does have the tools to do it though and he probably will do it more over time in the nba.

It just depends on how much of a special snowflake you think he is. Is he the only player that has had bad spacing in college? Was his team so bad that he should be near worst in class in terms of rim pressure? The answer to how he’s supposed to do it is talent and skill.

Almost every player does it less in the NBA because the NBA is more difficult. This idea that a player will drive more to the hoop in the NBA because of improved spacing doesn’t really exist. It’s an excuse we hear year after year. Of course there are exceptions, but the extreme trend is that rim pressure numbers go down. The NBA is a different game, and it’s more difficult to get rim and FT attempts. The players who can attack the rim in the NBA don’t have issues attacking the rim at a lower level.

Disagree? There’s still an open offer for someone to try to show that it’s actually a real thing. Fully open to changing my opinion.

 

[KqWIN]

Ace has been in front of our face this whole time, it wouldn’t surprise me. He is clearly the most obvious Ainge guy. But besides him, the intel guy has been Fears and it’s not new. I’m pretty sure he was the initial guy mocked to UTA. We can’t act like this is out of left field.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

My point is he’s literally the only shooter or player the defense needs to worry and focus on. And couple that with the fact he’s an elite shot maker. That should be enough to deter him from doing that plus then you look at his place out. He does a lot in the mid post. But to your question, yes most players do it less because they don’t have the tools to do it Trey does he’s extremely skilled and a great score. He will do it more in the NBA in my opinion.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

My point is he’s literally the only shooter or player the defense needs to worry and focus on. And couple that with the fact he’s an elite shot maker. That should be enough to deter him from doing that plus then you look at his place out. He does a lot in the mid post. But to your question, yes most players do it less because they don’t have the tools to do it Trey does he’s extremely skilled and a great score. He will do it more in the NBA in my opinion.

I will say he’s not a great finisher. He needs to get stronger. That’s definitely the wart of his game. But he can do it.