Following Potential Draftees - 2019 (not kidding)

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  1. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    Right. That’s why he’s pretty much a foregone conclusion to go 3rd and had been the pre-season projected #1 by most sites. So underrated.
     
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  2. Ellis269

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    I’d love to get him, but the Jazz absolutely need to keep a pathway for a max contract open.

    I think they still need to try to bring in another star player to team up with Mitchell and Gobert this offseason.

    It only gets harder after this year, and I doubt he’d be anywhere near ready to contribute.

    See if Atlanta bites at #10. I doubt he falls much past that. I’d have no problem putting Exum, Allen or Bradley into the deal if they think he has star potential either.
     
  3. SCS

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    He's considered a top 3 pick because he's projected as a high level scorer. But he can't finish with his right, he's a not a good outside shooter because of poor mechanics/footwork, he struggles to finish over length, he has a slow first step and plays at a slow speed and his shot selection isn't great. If* he can't correct these issues he's going to be locked up by NBA defenders. And if he can't score in the NBA he could bust out because I'm not seeing where he fits in the league in that scenario. I do see the upside with him and I can see why people love him too. But to me he is very boom/bust. He really reminds me of Rudy Gay. Similar strengths and weaknesses coming into the NBA. I'd be sweating bullets picking him top 3.
     
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  4. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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  5. LoPo

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    Picks I think will or very likely could be traded:

    #3 or #4 will be traded for AD

    #6 could be traded. I think Phoenix maybe trades down with Atlanta or trades #6 for somebody like Jrue or Conley

    #8, #10 and #17 - Atlanta is not going to select all these. They may package to move up, trade to acquire a future pick, etc. They have 6 total picks all within the top 42.

    #12 and #13 - both Miami and Charlotte have major salary cap issues. Miami is a repeat offender and Charlotte wants to keep Kemba. I see one or both trading down if they can shed a little money.

    #14 and #20 - I can see Boston trading. They have so many future picks maybe they package #14 and #20 and/or a future pick to move up.

    #19 and #29 - I would not be surprised if San Antonio didn't try to move up by packaging picks

    #24 and 4 2nd rounders - Philly will be dealing

    #27 and #31 - Brooklyn could package these two together to trade up to our range.
     
  6. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    Let’s say we renounce all camp holds and dump Favors.

    Can we then trade Exum and Korver and our 1st for Mahimi and the 9th pick and by doing so, go over the cap, so long as the deal is within 125%, per the CBA?
     
  7. LoPo

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    I agree. The bigger expirings are kind of out of the equation for us. We couldn't do Korver for Biyombo ($17) or Mahinmi ($16) and realistically get to the $32.7 million necessary to offer Tobias a max.

    However, guys in the $9-13 million range (MKG, Olynyk, Waiters, Leuer) could be done. Without Korver, we have right around $39 million. We might have to renounce Neto AND Niang and do something minor like find a taker for Bradley, but we can get to $32.7 to offer Tobias.

    I just find it very hard to believe that a $32.7 million player (Tobias, Kemba, Middleton, and those guys) is going to consider us. I'd hate to miss out on a really good draft prospect holding out hope for the improbable. If we knew we stood a chance to get Russell, we could do the Biyombo or Mahinmi deal and still have the $27 million necessary for Russell's max.
     
  8. LoPo

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    And salary dump type trade would be effective on July 1 just like the Brooklyn/Atlanta deal. On July 1, we will have a ton of cap room which is when we can do the deal regardless of the 125% rule.

    This isn't exact, but without all the cap holds, we have around $33 million. Exum makes around $9.6 and Korver $7.5. So if we subtracted Korver and Exum, we would have around $49 million in cap space which includes the necessary minimum roster spots of about $800k and the higher rookie salary for #9 as opposed to #23.

    So $49 - $16 (Mahinmi) would put us roughly at $33 million. A max contract for Tobias is $32.7.

    With the numbers presented a couple weeks ago, I'm not sure if they included Niang ($1.6) or Neto ($2.1) or not. Many people are running numbers like those two guys are still here.
     
  9. JazzFanInNuggetLand

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    Does anyone feel that Zion is overrated? I see him as a Shawn Kemp type player (athletic dunker), but I'm not sure about generational star.
     
  10. SCS

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    Not me. I think that he will be the best PF in the NBA one day.
     
  11. JazzFanInNuggetLand

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    OK. Who do you have as the top PFs for the next 5 years for comparison?
     
  12. LoPo

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    I agree. I think his peak is Barkley who was pretty dang good. But the guy isn't going to be LeBron or some all time top 25-50 type player.
     
  13. JazzFanInNuggetLand

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    Yeah, I'm not sure if there are any truly great players in this draft. I saw that Deandre Hunter was projected at about 4. I saw him during the tournament and didn't even feel that he was top 3 player on UVA.
     
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  14. Saint Cy of JFC

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    He should be consensus #2 imo and plenty of people have him 4th or lower.
     
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    Barkley is top 20 on several lists.
     
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    All of that and he averaged 23-8-4 as a freshman. And he's much more than just a scorer.
     
  17. LoPo

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    Do you think he's top 20 all time? I don't. He might be top 50. Might.
     
  18. JazzFanInNuggetLand

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    I believe that Barrett is a safer pick than Zion, but most franchises would prefer the star factor.
     
  19. str8line

    str8line Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner

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    I think Zion will be the best player since Lebron. And he will take over the league from a marketing standpoint like MJ.
     
  20. str8line

    str8line Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner

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    That's ridiculous.
     

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