From here on out are you cheering for us to win or lose?

[framer]

I don’t think the Jazz are in a perpetual rebuild though.

Lauri is aging, but has proven to be awesome when healthy.

Keyonte has taken a huge step forward and still looks to have more upside.

Kessler was looking great before he hurt his shoulder and got shut down.

Ace and WCJ are both rookies who’ve shown some flashes. Ace in particular has such ridiculous upside.

If any of Sensabaugh, Hendricks, Filipowski, Collier and/or Cody turn out to be NBA caliber players, they can provide depth or value in a trade.

And while the team’s assets have certainly depreciated since the summer of ‘22, you can get into the conversation if you throw enough picks into the mix. Probably doesn’t get you into the Giannis sweepstakes, but it can get you a guy like Deni if you’re positioned to make an advantageous trade.

Just have to extinguish the Thunder’s claim to the current pick.

I mean those Cavs assets are suddenly looking a little more valuable. . .

It was always a catch 22, if we were Washington Wizards quality this season, it would mean that all of our past picks were terrible and we wasted our time. If those picks were passable to good, we probably aren't among the very worst teams in the NBA. What we needed was timely injuries and we got that with Kessler, who I would have pegged as the biggest difference between winning and losing before the season. Without that Kessler injury, there was no chance that we are in any position to keep our pick.

The best position to be in is a "treadmill team" with assets. That is the only position where you actually control your own destiny. We are already that, so I am good. We can still be that AND get a great pick which would be amazing, but our baseline is pretty decent, which is what you hope for, especially as there has never been a lottery pull, or coinflip for that matter, that has EVER been kind to the Jazz.

 

[CVJ]

I never want us to lose, I like to see the team win and build that culture. But at the same time I'm not as bothered when we lose, especially with this next draft class.

If we play to win and finish 8th or 9th in the draft surely the basketball gods, aka the NBA draft lottery team, will reward us for the lean years?


/sarcasm

 

[Tanktastic]

I don’t think the Jazz are in a perpetual rebuild though.

Why wouldn't they be though?

Unless the Jazz get lucky in the lottery, they're exactly in the same spot a year from now as they are now.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Karmically it’s the perfect year to be #6-10 in odds and jump into the top 3

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Why wouldn't they be though?

Unless the Jazz get lucky in the lottery, they're exactly in the same spot a year from now as they are now.

That's the thing.

This "one more year" narrative is ridiculous. The lifespan of a tank obviously depends on the results. I mean people keep saying that the current roster "is not enough". Why would it necessarily be enough after this year's draft?

And if it's not, what then?

 

[fishonjazz]

Why wouldn't they be though?

Unless the Jazz get lucky in the lottery, they're exactly in the same spot a year from now as they are now.

Incorrect. A year from now Kessler and Ace will be on the court. All the other young guys will be more experienced/mature. We will likely gain/lose players in free agency/off season. We own other teams draft picks. Even if we dont have lottery luck we may still have a nice pick in this draft.

Long story short, the team on the court next season at this time will 100% guaranteed be different than the team that plays today.

 

[Tanktastic]

Incorrect. A year from now Kessler and Ace will be on the court. All the other young guys will be more experienced/mature. We will likely gain/lose players in free agency/off season. We own other teams draft picks. Even if we dont have lottery luck we may still have a nice pick in this draft.

Long story short, the team on the court next season at this time will 100% guaranteed be different than the team that plays today.

To start the season the Jazz had Kessler and Ace on the court. No-one, absolutely no-one, was advocating for "let's start winning now".

Whatever Collier/Hendricks/Flip/Sensabaugh/Cody/Walt are or are not has little effect on how well the Jazz do in the future.

The Jazz own all those same draft picks right now. And as a whole they have deteriorated in value (Lakers pick not looking good and somehow the Suns seem to not be bad).

So, unless the Jazz are super-lucky, what exactly has changed to suddenly quit tanking and start "let's go for it"? Everyone's patience is done? Doesn't really sound like a solid plan.

 

[fishonjazz]

To start the season the Jazz had Kessler and Ace on the court. No-one, absolutely no-one, was advocating for "let's start winning now".

Whatever Collier/Hendricks/Flip/Sensabaugh/Cody/Walt are or are not has little effect on how well the Jazz do in the future.

The Jazz own all those same draft picks right now. And as a whole they have deteriorated in value (Lakers pick not looking good and somehow the Suns seem to not be bad).

So, unless the Jazz are super-lucky, what exactly has changed to suddenly quit tanking and start "let's go for it"? Everyone's patience is done? Doesn't really sound like a solid plan.

The team on the court for a game January first of next year will look different than today.

 

[Tanktastic]

The team on the court for a game January first of next year will look different than today.

The team looks different pretty much every game.

Why would that lead to the Jazz suddenly to stop tanking? (unless they get super-lucky)

 

[KqWIN]

To start the season the Jazz had Kessler and Ace on the court. No-one, absolutely no-one, was advocating for "let's start winning now".

Whatever Collier/Hendricks/Flip/Sensabaugh/Cody/Walt are or are not has little effect on how well the Jazz do in the future.

The Jazz own all those same draft picks right now. And as a whole they have deteriorated in value (Lakers pick not looking good and somehow the Suns seem to not be bad).

So, unless the Jazz are super-lucky, what exactly has changed to suddenly quit tanking and start "let's go for it"? Everyone's patience is done? Doesn't really sound like a solid plan.

It's clear that patience is running out between ownership and the FO. I don't think making decisions based on patience (or lack thereof) is a recipe for success, but at this point I have to just accept that this is true. My hope is that the lack of patience doesn't force them into making a move for the sake of making a move and trying to push forward asap.

But as far as what will have changed and why we won't tank as much next year....are you being serious? Are you not aware of the pick protection situation?

 

[fishonjazz]

The team looks different pretty much every game.

Why would that lead to the Jazz suddenly to stop tanking? (unless they get super-lucky)

That isn't what leads to the jazz to stop tanking.
Their pick not being protected AND having multiple all star level players on the team is what will lead to the jazz not tanking.
I'm pretty sure you already knew the answer to your own question though and are just trolling.
Back to ignoring..

 

[Tanktastic]

But as far as what will have changed and why we won't tank as much next year....are you being serious? Are you not aware of the pick protection situation?

So let's throw the getting super-lucky out. The reason the Jazz should tank this year, but not the next, is to get the #7 pick.

Sure, everyone always believes that our pick is the one that will hit. But what is the realistic expectation of the realistic pick's value to the direction of the franchise?

...having multiple all star level players on the team is what will lead to the jazz not tanking.

That is the situation right now. If you believe Keyonte is an All-Star, he's that now (as is Lauri obvs).

 

[KqWIN]

So let's throw the getting super-lucky out. The reason the Jazz should tank this year, but not the next, is to get the #7 pick.

Sure, everyone always believes that our pick is the one that will hit. But what is the realistic expectation of the realistic pick's value to the direction of the franchise?

Why are you throwing out the potential to be lucky? I would love to hear your path forward that does not require luck.

You don’t have to consider the 7th pick to be franchise changing in order to want to tank for it. It just has to be greater than the alternative. In this case, the alternative is nothing. There is no benefit to the Jazz not tanking.

The Jazz also didn’t make the decision to tank for the 7th pick. To Fish’s point, things have changed. Key is much better than expected. The major choice to tank was made in the off season. Had they been 100% certain Key was this good, maybe they approach the off season differently. This upcoming off season the Jazz know Key is this good and have a greater cap space opportunity. So when you take into account the lack of pick protection, the absence of a “generational draft, the knowledge of Key’s growth, the great opportunity cost of punting FA, and the natural development of young guys which make tanking more difficult…of course it’s a different decision to make.

The problem with your incessant complaining is that you don’t argue for anything. If you don’t think tanking is good, please provide a path forward and see if it meets your own standard of what is worth doing. Earlier you mentioned that the Jazz really need to trade for a backup C. Is that truly franchise changing and why must it be done now?

 

[FalseFlagg K]

just trying to enjoy good play I am really looking forward to next season when there won't be a confused feeling as to whether you're cheering for a win or loss though, 3 more months of this weird **** then it's done. Really gonna just enjoy seeing who improves, hope for a good result come May and then next season absolutely back to hoping for a win every game again.

Quite glad they're looking very much like tanking out the rest of this season though