I realized this halfway through so I started using the term "tax threshold" instead. I was too lazy to look it up and change it so I just went with it. That's me in a nutshell, brah.
That said, I still feel like the point is made.
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I realized this halfway through so I started using the term "tax threshold" instead. I was too lazy to look it up and change it so I just went with it. That's me in a nutshell, brah.
That said, I still feel like the point is made.
I agree that economics will determine who OKC keeps but the other poster was talking about talent-wise the Thunder would rather keep Harden and Ibaka than Perkins. The Jazz are going to have the same problem and decisions when their young guys come up for contracts along with Millsap, Harris, and AJ. At this point no one knows what type of contracts Harden and Ibaka wii get, Harden's contract is not going to be as high as Durrant's contract because of the difference in the CBA.
Many Jazz fans are talking about trading for Player A or signing Player B in Free agency but the managing of one'e economic/finances is as important as who you draft and sign as free agents. Some guys are going to have to realize that if they want to remain with the team they need to sacrifice some money $$$$. Having three superstar and no bench hasn't really helped Miami so far so perhaps Harden and Ibaka will say I rather stay take a little less money and play for championships. Maybe they just take the $$$$ and end up like Joe Johnson. Who knows at this point?
Many Jazz fans are talking about trading for Player A or signing Player B in Free agency but the managing of one'e economic/finances is as important as who you draft and sign as free agents. Some guys are going to have to realize that if they want to remain with the team they need to sacrifice some money $$$$. Having three superstar and no bench hasn't really helped Miami so far so perhaps Harden and Ibaka will say I rather stay take a little less money and play for championships. Maybe they just take the $$$$ and end up like Joe Johnson. Who knows at this point?
DeAndre Jordan just got $10.25mil per so I would think it's safe to say he will be above the $8-9mil.
I appreciate all the work crunching numbers but I disagree with your numbers. Normally Shamsports is a better source of salary numbers.
https://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/thunder.jsp
First of all, according to Shamsports in 2013/2014 Ibaka and Harden are RFA. Neither of them would hit the open market until 2014/2015. Meaning you would have to offer Ibaka very close to a max deal. It also means that if Harden his the free agent market he would likely be offered a max deal.
The salary cap for 2011/2012 is $58,044,000. Luxury Tax is $70,307,000.
In 2013/2014 the Thunder has these players under contract:
Player 2013/2014
Kevin Durant $17,832,627.00
Kendrick Perkins $8,477,437.00
Russell Westbrook $13,891,359.00
Thabo Sefolosha $3,900,000.00
Nick Collison $2,585,668.00
Cole Aldrich $3,245,152.00
Reggie Jackson $1,260,360.00
Lazar Hayward $2,119,214.00
Total
$53,311,817.00
That is eight players under contract.
So they would be $16,995,183 short of the 2011/2012 luxury tax.
Lets take a guess that the luxury tax will increase 2.5 mil/year. So the 2013/2014 luxury tax number would be $75,307,000. Meaning the Thunder would have $21,995,183 to sign Harden and Ibaka and feel out their roster.
If Harden is a max extend player he under 2011/2012 the max for a player with 0-6 years of service is $12,992,194. The 5 mil increase in the luxury tax is a 7.112% increase. Assuming the max deal would go up to $13,916,155.6.
In theory then with 9 players the Thunder would be $8,079,027 under the cap.
Say they can sign Ibaka to a 12 mil/year contract.
That is a little over 4 mil above the projected luxury tax level with 10 players. To reach the required 13, let's assume an average 1.5 mil/year for the other 3 players. So adding a total of 4.5 mil the Thunder are a total of 8.5 mil over the projected luxury tax.
Perkins contract ends in 2014/2015. The Thunder could bite the bullet and play the luxury tax for a couple of years so they could keep their big four together and be about 9 mil over the luxury tax.
If they amnesty Perkins they would very, very close to the luxury tax level.
IMO if they think Ibaka, Harden, Durant and Westbrook are a championship level core I don't see them breaking up that team. And it wouldn't be ridiculously expensive to keep all four.
NAOS
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Here's a sketch of a dream scenario (with an eye towards the realistic)
Obviously I have to start with us getting the #8 pick (this is a dream after all).
Jazz draft Lillard
We trade our second round pick + NJ's 2015 second-round pick to either Charlotte or Wash for their 2012 second round pick and select
John Jenkins
We trade Al Jefferson to Indy
acquire George Hill (S&T) plus 2012 first rounder (#26), then draft DMiller
For 3 years $30 million we sign
Steve Nash
Jazz trade Devin Harris and Earl Watson for future picks.
Nash/Hill/Lillard (with Lillard moving up when ready)
Hayward/Burks/JJenkins (I want Burks dominating the second unit as a go-to guy before he cracks the starting lineup)
DMiller/Hayward/Carroll/Millsap
Millsap/Favors/Evans
Favors/Kanter/(MLE guy)
Obviously I have to start with us getting the #8 pick (this is a dream after all).
Jazz draft Lillard
We trade our second round pick + NJ's 2015 second-round pick to either Charlotte or Wash for their 2012 second round pick and select
John Jenkins
We trade Al Jefferson to Indy
acquire George Hill (S&T) plus 2012 first rounder (#26), then draft DMiller
For 3 years $30 million we sign
Steve Nash
Jazz trade Devin Harris and Earl Watson for future picks.
Nash/Hill/Lillard (with Lillard moving up when ready)
Hayward/Burks/JJenkins (I want Burks dominating the second unit as a go-to guy before he cracks the starting lineup)
DMiller/Hayward/Carroll/Millsap
Millsap/Favors/Evans
Favors/Kanter/(MLE guy)
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Nash, Hill and Lillard would all be on the first year of a 3+ year deal. Not crazy about that. Switch out Hill for simply the pick and more cap space for 2013 and I like it.
Are you stoned or asleep, man, I can't keep up with your stories!!!!!
NAOS
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I see what you mean, but Hill can play combo guard very effectively, so I live with it. Shooting and perimeter defense are desperate needs.
EDIT: Plus, he's exactly the kind of insurance policy I want in case Nash goes down.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
We'd have Nash, Lillard, and Jenkins for the shooting. Add in Hayward and Burks at the 2 and there just wouldn't be enough time to go around.
NAOS
Well-Known Member
this isn't reflected in my depth chart, but if we had this lineup I'd run a lot of small-ball on the 1-3. For example, I wouldn't be afraid to run a Nash/Hill/Burks combo if the matchups were good. In other words, I'd find the time.
EDIT: I'm also capping Nash at 28min and expecting very little out of Lillard's rookie campaign.
When does the Championship happen in the dream?
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Nash-26
Hayward-30
Hill-20
Burks-20
Lillard-15
15 of those minutes would have to be at the 3. Doesn't seem so bad until you consider the fact that those minutes estimates are clearly on the low end and that none of those players are truly built to excel at the 3. We don't need Hill. I like the guy. But we're not a role player away froma ring. Hayward and Burks need major minutes going forward.