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Game 43 - Jazz at Lakers - 1/25 8:30 PM MST, Root Sports

billyshelby said:
All I would say is this: If you have a DVR: watch the offense with Al in it. And then watch it when he's not in it. It's no different. The ball doesn't move more. Guys don't cut more. Favors and Kanter are getting the same shots Al does (and passing LESS.) The only difference is our second unit as a whole is usually better than other team's second units and gets more points in transition. They're still the same terrible half court team that our first unit is.
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I'm not disagreeing with you about the system in general. But, I'd claim that the team is far more concerned it touches Al's hands. We'll spend 20 seconds trying to make that happen. With the second unit, they'll at least try the second post option or Hay actually makes something happen (something Tinsley and Foye and Mo are fairly incapable of doing).

But, let's not get side tracked. Jefferson shouldn't be on this team. Last night was about as painful a reminder of that as you can dial up. Why I'm STILL watching him and his antics for 30+ minutes a game is just plain ****ing ridiculous when my team has two great prospects rotting behind him. I'm no historian of the League, but I can't find any precident for the past two years. Mind numbing.
 
GVC said:
Ridiculous. Carroll is the Jazz's second best wing player, yet he gets no burn.
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Carroll has been jerked around just like Burks, Kanter, and Favors.
Carroll needs to get consistent minutes just like the other young studs. He has proven himself to be far more valuable than Marvin.

I just don't agree with Corbin's philosophy. He doesn't go with what's working. Burks, and Foye was a brilliant move, it was fun to watch,
and he went away from it. I just don't get where Corbin's head is at, or how small his sack is.
 
Ty Corbin proves once again that he's in over his head. It's so obvious.
 
Very frustrating game. Lakers' real achilles heal is Nash's defense, and we did try to exploit that but Tinsley couldn't make a shot, and you know Earl, he's good for about 20 percent from the outside. The fact that Corbin stuck with Foye who was off and didn't play Carroll or Kanter, was a big mistake. Also, could've let Burks run the point and let him abuse Nash with ISOs. Corbin just doesn't have a feel for match-ups, which also was a weakness of Jerry.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Very frustrating game. Lakers' real achilles heal is Nash's defense, and we did try to exploit that but Tinsley couldn't make a shot, and you know Earl, he's good for about 20 percent from the outside. The fact that Corbin stuck with Foye who was off and didn't play Carroll or Kanter, was a big mistake. Also, could've let Burks run the point and let him abuse Nash with ISOs. Corbin just doesn't have a feel for match-ups, which also was a weakness of Jerry.
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Which also means Corbin is still stuck in the 1990's. This isn't barnyard basketball, this the NBA!
 
NAOS said:
I'm not disagreeing with you about the system in general.
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You should be. The offense does run differently when Al is on the bench. It's less effective, but it's different (the second quarter of the Washington game is a perfect example for those with the ability to rewatch games). With Carroll and Hayward in, the Jazz run more sets with Kanter and Favors at the high post, with Hayward and Carroll cutting along the baseline and around the bigs' screens. This is nearly impossible with Al in, as he's uncomfortable in the high post (although he's been effective at times this season, admittedly) and hasn't set a screen in his life. Unfortunately, Earl's play has been poor this season, and his opposite number sags WAY off, limiting the effectiveness of the off-ball movement.
 
GVC said:
You should be. The offense does run differently when Al is on the bench. It's less effective, but it's different (the second quarter of the Washington game is a perfect example for those with the ability to rewatch games). With Carroll and Hayward in, the Jazz run more sets with Kanter and Favors at the high post, with Hayward and Carroll cutting along the baseline and around the bigs' screens. This is nearly impossible with Al in, as he's uncomfortable in the high post (although he's been effective at times this season, admittedly) and hasn't set a screen in his life. Unfortunately, Earl's play has been poor this season, and his opposite number sags WAY off, limiting the effectiveness of the off-ball movement.
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I meant that I don't disagree with the general statement that our offense sucks.

The rest of that post explains part of my reasons for disagreeing with BS's statement that the offense is the "same". Such a statement, taken too far, is obviously wrong as ****.
 
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