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Game: Jazz @ Orlando time: who cares

I said goodbye to wiggins and parker about a week and a half ago.

Tonight I say farewell to embiid....R.I.P.

By the end of january I will say adios to randle, exum, and smart.

I'm becoming resigned to the fact that we will end up with gordon (reminds me of rudy gay)

Sigh
 
JimLes said:
Here. Easy as pie. I took the 1997-2006 drafts because they're the most recent without going into players who are still hitting their peak or haven't hit it.

Among the players drafted in the top 3 in those years, 14 turned out to be All-Stars. This is, of course, ignoring the fact that All-Stars include people like Kenyon Martin. Hardly a player worth tanking for. Let's look at just "franchise players." Guys you can build a team around. I've decided(unscientifically, I admit) to look at how many players have multiple All-NBA first or second team appearances.

4-10? Alright, let's take a look. 20 All-Stars and 5 "franchise players." Yes, bigger sample size, but we're not talking about probability of picking a player. We're talking availability of talent.

Crunch the numbers, if you'd like. You have a 47% chance of getting an All-Star in the top 3 picks. 53% chance of not getting one. You're more likely to get a Kwame than LeBron or Duncan.
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Give me names.

Or do you really not see any difference between Lebron James, an all-star vs AK47, an "all-star?"
 
Just to show you how bad this tank job is, if the jazz played in the east, they'd probably be in the playoffs.

We have already hit the win total of what should have been our win total in jan or early feb. I think if nothing changes we will end up with 22-26 wins. Bad enough to not even come close to the playoffs. Too good to obtain a franchise player via the draft.
 
The Thriller said:
Give me names.

Or do you really not see any difference between Lebron James, an all-star vs AK47, an "all-star?"
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Did I not mention up there that I looked at two categories? All-Stars and franchise players? Based on All-NBA team appearances? Or are you so convinced that your baseless claims are right that you feel the need to move the goalposts now?

No matter. Players who were drafted 1-3 during those years and had multiple All-NBA first or second team appearances:

Tim Duncan
Yao Ming
LeBron James
Carmello Anthony
Dwight Howard
Deron Williams

Players who were drafted 4-10 during those years and had multiple All-NBA first or second team appearances:

Tracy McGrady
Dirk Nowitzki
Amar'e Stoudemire
Dwyane Wade
Chris Paul

Now, I'm sure you'll now get all smug and point out that Amar'e hardly qualifies as a franchise player. I won't get into that argument, though I believe that before microfracture, he easily does. Instead, I'll point out that the second list of players does not include Vince Carter or Paul Pierce, who were drafted 4-10 but have somehow managed to not get picked for All-NBA first or second team more than once. At the very least, you have to concede that Pierce is a player to build a franchise around, if not Carter.
 
Terrible win. What's the point of having Biedrins if we don't use him?

Now we're 2 wins better than the Bucks, and the Sixers are right on us.
 
JimLes said:
Did I not mention up there that I looked at two categories? All-Stars and franchise players? Based on All-NBA team appearances? Or are you so convinced that your baseless claims are right that you feel the need to move the goalposts now?

No matter. Players who were drafted 1-3 during those years and had multiple All-NBA first or second team appearances:

Tim Duncan
Yao Ming
LeBron James
Carmello Anthony
Dwight Howard
Deron Williams

Players who were drafted 4-10 during those years and had multiple All-NBA first or second team appearances:

Tracy McGrady
Dirk Nowitzki
Amar'e Stoudemire
Dwyane Wade
Chris Paul

Now, I'm sure you'll now get all smug and point out that Amar'e hardly qualifies as a franchise player. I won't get into that argument, though I believe that before microfracture, he easily does. Instead, I'll point out that the second list of players does not include Vince Carter or Paul Pierce, who were drafted 4-10 but have somehow managed to not get picked for All-NBA first or second team more than once. At the very least, you have to concede that Pierce is a player to build a franchise around, if not Carter.
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Your list proves my point perfectly.

Thank You
 
On a related note, here's a fun selection of 16 top-3 picks between 1997 and 2006.

Keith Van Horn
Michael Olowokandi
Mike Bibby
Raef LaFrentz
Stromile Swift
Darius Miles
Kwame Brown
Jay Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Darko Miličić
Emeka Okafor
Ben Gordon
Marvin Williams
Andrew Bogut
Andrea Bargnani
Adam Morrison
 
JimLes said:
What point? That you're just as likely to find a great player with a number 7 pick as you are with a number 2 pick?
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Really? You see no difference between Lebron and Duncan vs T Mac and Amare?

Wow
 
JimLes said:
On a related note, here's a fun selection of 16 top-3 picks between 1997 and 2006.

Keith Van Horn
Michael Olowokandi
Mike Bibby
Raef LaFrentz
Stromile Swift
Darius Miles
Kwame Brown
Jay Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Darko Miličić
Emeka Okafor
Ben Gordon
Marvin Williams
Andrew Bogut
Andrea Bargnani
Adam Morrison
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Yo Jim. When are we watching a game/makin out?
 
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