mellow
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Did you see the Tomic thread from earlier today? Jazz are a mess.
Game Thread? OKC vs. Utah
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Did you see the Tomic thread from earlier today? Jazz are a mess.
Good post. Spot on regarding Dante. And yeah, Donovan is becoming like Carmello.
jom2003
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Conley trade costed us the PFs, and we decided to not go another PF in the market, but a backup C instead. what DL was thinking is way beyond me...
IBProfane
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It's so incredibly disappointing to see the state of the team. These huge deficits are a gigantic red flag. If we were losing but competing, and showing effort/heart it would be acceptable. This team just looks like it is bad fit basketball chemistry-wise. Seems like the players like each other, similar to last season but it's just a bad fit on the court. Before blowing it up, I think that Quin should shake up the starting 5. I might try something like starting...
Exum/Mitchell/Bogey/Green/Gobert
bench unit...
Conley/Mudiay/O'Neal/Ingles/Davis
Each unit has enough shooting and defense on paper to be serviceable to very good. At this point, we aren't beating the top 4-5 teams in the West come April so you may as well exhaust all possibilities before then and if we need to look at trading Conley, Ingles, etc. then we can address it in February.
I worried about this when Rubio and Favors left but I genuinely felt like we could outscore anyone in the league on any given night to offset the dip in defense and rebounding. I just never fathomed it would look like this a quarter of the way into the season. Conley has been a massive disappointment, and I didn't think we'd ever live in a world were we'd be begging for the return of Ricky Rubio.
Exum/Mitchell/Bogey/Green/Gobert
bench unit...
Conley/Mudiay/O'Neal/Ingles/Davis
Each unit has enough shooting and defense on paper to be serviceable to very good. At this point, we aren't beating the top 4-5 teams in the West come April so you may as well exhaust all possibilities before then and if we need to look at trading Conley, Ingles, etc. then we can address it in February.
I worried about this when Rubio and Favors left but I genuinely felt like we could outscore anyone in the league on any given night to offset the dip in defense and rebounding. I just never fathomed it would look like this a quarter of the way into the season. Conley has been a massive disappointment, and I didn't think we'd ever live in a world were we'd be begging for the return of Ricky Rubio.
The positives that I'm holding on too at this s**** time are
1) Our top 6 players- Rudy, DM, Mike, Bogey, Joe, Royce are legit. Despite individual struggles from DM, Mike and Joe at various points throughout the season, stats say that that 6 is very very good. Contender worthy top 6.
- Quin always seems to have his teams playing at their best at the end of the season. So hopes are he can do it again.
- Our issues are fixable. We've seen the Jazz play good defense. We've seen the Jazz have stretches of good offense. The roster needs a better bench and adequate bench players aren't as hard to find as stars/starters. We can fix this.
1) Our top 6 players- Rudy, DM, Mike, Bogey, Joe, Royce are legit. Despite individual struggles from DM, Mike and Joe at various points throughout the season, stats say that that 6 is very very good. Contender worthy top 6.
- Quin always seems to have his teams playing at their best at the end of the season. So hopes are he can do it again.
- Our issues are fixable. We've seen the Jazz play good defense. We've seen the Jazz have stretches of good offense. The roster needs a better bench and adequate bench players aren't as hard to find as stars/starters. We can fix this.
Dali
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Hmm. Well a few thoughts.
If you were to ask yourself what kind of coach is Quin, we know the answer, he's a defensive coach who's not that great on offense.
What we did in the off-season was we gained a lot of offensive scoring talent, but what took a massive hit was the defense of this team, and especially defensive IQ which is absolutely abysmal with some of these offensive players we have acquired. So we might have handicapped our coach who is defensive-minded, but given him all this offensive talent, of which he doesn't exactly know how to get the most out of.
Some of the things I'm seeing on the defensive end are truly mind-blowing. There is no doubt that Quin has some key performances indicators that have been established within the team, and are probably a permanent fixture on the whiteboard of every game. The players just aren't responding, or are incapable of responding to, especially on the defensive end. The 'falling asleep' on the defensive end is staggering.
Derrick Favors was a high defensive IQ guy, Jae was okay, Ricky was a high IQ guy on defense but didn't have the footspeed for some of the quicker guards. You felt like there was a big understanding on the defensive end last year, and a decent understanding on offense. This year, there is no real understanding, and the only chemistry on display is Joe/Rudy. We've also simplified the offensive sets for the new guys, and it's looking like a$$. Have we really handicapped our coach that much?
If you were to ask yourself what kind of coach is Quin, we know the answer, he's a defensive coach who's not that great on offense.
What we did in the off-season was we gained a lot of offensive scoring talent, but what took a massive hit was the defense of this team, and especially defensive IQ which is absolutely abysmal with some of these offensive players we have acquired. So we might have handicapped our coach who is defensive-minded, but given him all this offensive talent, of which he doesn't exactly know how to get the most out of.
Some of the things I'm seeing on the defensive end are truly mind-blowing. There is no doubt that Quin has some key performances indicators that have been established within the team, and are probably a permanent fixture on the whiteboard of every game. The players just aren't responding, or are incapable of responding to, especially on the defensive end. The 'falling asleep' on the defensive end is staggering.
Derrick Favors was a high defensive IQ guy, Jae was okay, Ricky was a high IQ guy on defense but didn't have the footspeed for some of the quicker guards. You felt like there was a big understanding on the defensive end last year, and a decent understanding on offense. This year, there is no real understanding, and the only chemistry on display is Joe/Rudy. We've also simplified the offensive sets for the new guys, and it's looking like a$$. Have we really handicapped our coach that much?
Spinoza
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What's weird is Mitchell was playing the exact same way last December, then claimed later on to have learned his lesson from it. I guess he forgot.
enchilada_style
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Don is not a pg in case we haven't figured that out by now
No one's expecting a G-leaguer to come in and save the team, but the guys we're playing off the bench right now--Mudiay, Niang, Davis, etc. are no better than our G-league players.