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Gamethread: Jazz v Lakers. 7pm MST.

Hantlers said:
Still the most stacked position in the league. He shouldn't even be playing as much as he has been, he just isn't ready.
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I don't disagree. His per sucks mainly because he isn't ready for this level of competition. But I'm not that worried. His defense is really nice, even though he's so weak he flies 10 feet each time someone brushes up against him. With added strength and experience, I have little doubt he'll be one of the best defensive PGs in the league. He just needs to improve offensively. Even if he doesn't become great offensively, that's okay. Rondo is a winner and he sucks offensively.
 
I didn't have high expectations for exum this year.

I also didn't expect our #5 pick that we tanked for to be the worst rookie in the history of the nba.

I would be fine with his play if he was picked at the very end of the 2nd round though
 
Hantlers said:
Still the most stacked position in the league. He shouldn't even be playing as much as he has been, he just isn't ready.
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The reason he shouldn't be playing as much as he has is because he isn't good enough (he sucks right now)
Which is basically what sjf is saying. So you guys agree
 
Siro said:
Exum became a starter only recently.
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And he was put in that position NOT because he earned it, but because playing with the starters might allow him to just focus on passing and defense. If there are four other starters who can score, that group doesn't really need a 5th guy to take shots.

Even Lindsey said he was just a "placeholder" right now while in the game. I'd argue he is better than that on defense, but he contributes very little on offense, A basket and a great pass in 20 mins really isn't enough contribution to justify him being a starter. But the other alternative right now is a player who thinks he's Michael Jordan. No, I take that back...even MJ was willing to pass.
 
fishonjazz said:
The reason he shouldn't be playing as much as he has is because he isn't good enough (he sucks right now)
Which is basically what sjf is saying. So you guys agree
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Not really. I think Exum is doing fine for the situation that he's in. Clearly he isn't that good yet, but I still think he will be. SJF is writing him off right now, saying that he won't be any good. So no, we don't agree.
 
I'm going on record and saying that Exum will be completely different in Year 2. IF he truly is a hard worker. His natural talent is all we're seeing right now. After an off season of hitting the weights and hard training, he'll have much more strength and explosiveness. Which will allow him to be more aggressive. Right now, he just looks un-prepared and he knows it.

I do worry about him being a mouth breather, he's still sucking wind out there and we're halfway through the season.
 
Hantlers said:
Not really. I think Exum is doing fine for the situation that he's in. Clearly he isn't that good yet, but I still think he will be. SJF is writing him off right now, saying that he won't be any good. So no, we don't agree.
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I never saw sjf predicting exum future.

I saw him saying exum sucks right now/so far (pretty damn true) and that historically other players that have sucked this bad didn't turn into good players.

I never saw him say that exum can't/will never improve
 
fishonjazz said:
I never saw sjf predicting exum future.

I saw him saying exum sucks right now/so far (pretty damn true) and that historically other players that have sucked this bad didn't turn into good players.

I never saw him say that exum can't/will never improve
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Historically has any player been in his same circumstance before entering the BAN?
 
Exum is doing what the coaching staff asks of him. He plays good defense which is why he gets as much court time as he does. He gets the team into their offense and even though he has to think about it and it slows him down he makes the right passes within the offense. Snyder holds him responsible for everything he does on the court because he expects him to be great. When Exum messes up a couple times he gets the hook and the staff talks to him then puts him back in. This will make him over think but ultimately I think it will help his long term development. Exum was nervous to shoot open threes because he didnt feel confident making them. The coaching staff showed how it was hurting the team for him to pass up open shots so now he almost always takes them. I think he will be a good spot up 3 point shooter, he is hitting them at an okay clip for a rookie lately. He is not asked to take his guy 1 on 1. He does not run many pick and roll plays. He is just facilitating and letting Hayward do a lot of the work, which is what he is supposed to do. He was getting to the hoop and not trying to score a lot even when open. The coaching staff has been pushing him to shoot more when he gets in that position and he has been. When the coaching staff has him become a bigger part of the offense next year this will be where he improves the most.

Coaching staff want him to not make mistakes and make the correct decisions on the court. They hold him very responsible for this because they want him to become great and be the primary facilitator in the future and that means making the right decisions every time down the court. I think he will make a jump just like Dennis Schroder did this season although in different ways because he is more of a facilitator.

Dennis played less minutes but had a lower PER his rookie year than Exum. He scored similar amount of points and shoot a similar poor percentages. This year Shroder is playing more freely and putting up decent numbers on a very good team, and when he was asked to start since a very good pg is in front of him played pretty good.
 
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