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Nate505 said:
Historically has any player been in his same circumstance before entering the BAN?
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Probably not.
Also, historically no rookie has ever been as bad as exum either..... so I guess this is unprecedented.

If course you could always say that no player has ever entered the nba from "whatever college" after one year, as a 6 foot 7 and a half small forward with a flattop hair cut or whatever scenario you choose.

The fact is that exum was eligible to be drafted and was thought to be good enough to play in the nba by the folks doing the drafting and so he is just like every other player ever drafted in that regard.
 
fishonjazz said:
Probably not.
Also, historically no rookie has ever been as bad as exum either..... so I guess this is unprecedented.

If course you could always say that no player has ever entered the nba from "whatever college" after one year, as a 6 foot 7 and a half small forward with a flattop hair cut or whatever scenario you choose.

The fact is that exum was eligible to be drafted and was thought to be good enough to play in the nba by the folks doing the drafting and so he is just like every other player ever drafted in that regard.
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Other players have had as bad or worse rookie years they just have not played as many minutes as Exum and had less offensive production. Schroder had similar poor production on offense last year, he just played less minutes since they were trying to win last year and had a good pg.
 
It's not that Exum is having the worst rookie year ever. That's a complete misrepresentation. He's having the worst year of somebody who plays as many minutes as he does, because usually teams don't have to play players like Exum. We suck, so we do.
 
fishonjazz said:
Probably not.
Also, historically no rookie has ever been as bad as exum either..... so I guess this is unprecedented.

If course you could always say that no player has ever entered the nba from "whatever college" after one year, as a 6 foot 7 and a half small forward with a flattop hair cut or whatever scenario you choose.

The fact is that exum was eligible to be drafted and was thought to be good enough to play in the nba by the folks doing the drafting and so he is just like every other player ever drafted in that regard.
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Fish...that's a dumb statement. If you can't see how Exum's scenario is different than pretty much everybody else in the draft, then this isn't even worth discussing.
 
Broncster said:
Other players have had as bad or worse rookie years they just have not played as many minutes as Exum and had less offensive production. Schroder had similar poor production on offense last year, he just played less minutes since they were trying to win last year and had a good pg.
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A few posts back someone posted that exum per is the worst in history.

I understand that per doesn't prove everything and no amount of stats could ever "prove" anything because everything is subjective.
So take it for what's it's worth.

You could show me all kinds of stats showing me that cj miles is an inefficient chucker and not very good.
I could still say that he would actually be better than Michael Jordan if cj would have had the college experience that jordan did and played with pippen, kerr, rodman, and tony kukoc and been coached by Jackson.

Obviously that sounds dumb and I don't think it's true, but you couldn't prove it to be wrong simply by using stats because it's impossible to go back in time and put cj into the same situations as jordan
Just like it's impossible to put exum into all the same situations as every other nba rookie ever.

The fact is that he was eligible to be drafted, got drafted to the team and situation that he got drafted to, and by alot of statistical indicators he appears to be possibly having the worst rookie year ever
 
Hantlers said:
Fish...that's a dumb statement. If you can't see how Exum's scenario is different than pretty much everybody else in the draft, then this isn't even worth discussing.
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It is different.
But so what? He got drafted. We can never know that if he played high school basketball in Georgia that he would be rookie of the year or if he would even ever play in the nba.

He was eligible, he got drafted, he stinks right now.
All the ifs ands and buts in the world can't change that.

I do like his defense though
 
Hantlers said:
Fish...that's a dumb statement. If you can't see how Exum's scenario is different than pretty much everybody else in the draft, then this isn't even worth discussing.
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Kanter came into the league about the same age as exum, had only been playing basketball since he was 15, never played college ball and even had to sit out of basketball for a year.

Are thier situations similar at least?
 
fishonjazz said:
It is different.
But so what? He got drafted. We can never know that if he played high school basketball in Georgia that he would be rookie of the year or if he would even ever play in the nba.

He was eligible, he got drafted, he stinks right now.
All the ifs ands and buts in the world can't change that.

I do like his defense though
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I don't even understand what you're talking about right now.

We're talking about why he isn't playing relative to his drafted position, thus, the differences are important.
 
fishonjazz said:
Kanter came into the league about the same age as exum, had only been playing basketball since he was 15, never played college ball and even had to sit out of basketball for a year.

Are thier situations similar at least?
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Kanter played against much better competition for a much longer time compared to Exum. Fairly similar, but not really.
 
fishonjazz said:
A few posts back someone posted that exum per is the worst in history.

I understand that per doesn't prove everything and no amount of stats could ever "prove" anything because everything is subjective.
So take it for what's it's worth.
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Exums per is not the lowest ever for a rookie. It might be (I dont really care to look it up since I dont really care) for a rookie playing 20 minutes or more but it is not the worse for a rookie. I just posted that Dennis Schroder had a lower PER his rookie year.
 
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