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Gamethread: Jazz Vs Knicks, "Luck is overrated when you got kanter" 18-03 at 2030

“You've got to give them credit. They were the aggressors all night. They made things tough for us,’’ said Utah coach Tyrone Corbin. “These guys are who they are. They’re going to play physical most games. They’re a veteran group of guys. They’ve been in this league a long time. They know how to play and understand the opportunity.

"They’re not the fastest and quickest guys anymore, but they’re smart and know how to play the game."

Well, we finally know how Corbin feels about veterans :rolleyes:

who is he talking about?

our vets?
or the new york knicks vets?

if he is tlaking about our vets. it is his excuse for not holding them accountable.
the young guys are not smart and should be held acocuntable

sigh
 
who is he talking about?

our vets?
or the new york knicks vets?

if he is tlaking about our vets. it is his excuse for not holding them accountable.
the young guys are not smart and should be held acocuntable

sigh

He's talking about the Knicks vets
 
Unfortunately, neither does our Head Coach.

That's not true, Corbin knows exactly why we lost. It's because the Knicks used a team fill of vets and super vets (really old guys) to win. The magical vet power took over the game at the end.

On a related note, I was told Corbin talked with Kurt Thomas after the game and promised him 30+ minutes a game if he would sign with the Jazz.
 
That's not true, Corbin knows exactly why we lost. It's because the Knicks used a team fill of vets and super vets (really old guys) to win. The magical vet power took over the game at the end.

On a related note, I was told Corbin talked with Kurt Thomas after the game and promised him 30+ minutes a game if he would sign with the Jazz.

dammit you beat me to it
 
That's not true, Corbin knows exactly why we lost. It's because the Knicks used a team fill of vets and super vets (really old guys) to win. The magical vet power took over the game at the end.

On a related note, I was told Corbin talked with Kurt Thomas after the game and promised him 30+ minutes a game if he would sign with the Jazz.

I stand by my point. Tyrone does not know why we lost, because he is lost. I hope the Jazz are seeing the down side of loyalty and character. It does not equal talent and productivity. My dog is loyal and has good character, but I would not put him in charge of my investment decisions, even though he has been around for 7 years.
 
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Just throwing up a general Corbin critique in here as well:

If you only watch occasional Jazz games it's hard to fully see the dysfunctional nature of Corbin's rotations and gameplans.

- Players routinely fall in and out of the rotation entirely in a way that is just baffling. Burks finished last year playing ~20 minutes/game by the end of the year, took him half way through this year to break into the rotation at all. Played great minutes at backup PG for about a 10 game span when Watson was playing really badly (He's always awful, but bad even for his standards) and then was discontinued for more bad play by Watson when Mo came back.

- Same thing with Demarre Carroll, who (sadly) is pretty easily the best three on the roster.

- Tinsley started basically every game while Mo was out, was clearly ahead of Watson in terms of production and pecking order, then mysteriously disappeared from the rotation without injury while Watson is now playing a significant amount of minutes.

- Mo Williams is a decent player, but he needs a coach who doesn't just give him free reign to do whatever the hell he wants at the end of the game. Tonight was the perfect example of how he has hurt the Jazz all year. With three minutes left, the Jazz down 5 or 6, Mo and Al Jefferson combine to take the Jazz last 10 shots, going 1 for 10. Every single shot was an isolation when neither player had a particularly good game to that point.

- Young players are held accountable for mistakes while old players seemingly cannot lose rotation spots (except those who lose them mysteriously while still clearly being the best option - Carroll, Tinsley)

- Kanter is a player who on any other team of similar quality would get ~30 minutes a game, as would Favors, yet they are continually benched for Millsap and Jefferson (Some of this is obviously on the FO). Primarily, what is frustrating is that Ty will hold them out of the game almost entirely if Al or Paul is playing well, claiming that he stuck with the hot hand, but refuses entirely to use this principle to justify extra minutes for either Kanter or Favors. Very frustrating.

- For the majority of the year, Hayward has come off the bench but really been our best/most consistent all around player. This leads to odd situations where frequently Hayward will play sparingly in the first, most of the second, then the last half of the third and the entire fourth, leading to horrible play down the stretch primarily because he doesn't have his legs and leaves everything short after playing 15-18 consecutive minutes.

This was just a quick off the top list of my problems with Ty, and doesn't even mention the fact that we have no cohesive offensive or defensive vision.

Ok, so you're the Jazz fan on realgm who put this up? Well I couldn't have put it better myself. Will rep when not on mobile
 
Jazz down 5 with 1:00 left call a timeout.

at 0:47 Mo misses a jumper.
at 0:32 Mo fouls raymond Felton, but the Jazz had a foul to give so
at 0:30 Marvin fouls Jr Smith who makes 1 of 2 fts. (17 seconds wasted)
At 0:28 Jazz take a 20 sec timeout. Down by 6.

After taking time to draw up a play the Jazz struggle to inbound the ball, finally get it in and Mo ends up missing a 2pt shot 10 feet from the basket. Game Over.

I try not to call people names, and have stayed away from the fire corbin chatter. But this team cannot manage end of game situations, in-bounds plays, clock management, and it doesn't even know when to foul and when not to, or how to play a simple 2 for 1. That is on the coaching staff, and it is costing the Jazz wins.
 
Jazz down 5 with 1:00 left call a timeout.

at 0:47 Mo misses a jumper.
at 0:32 Mo fouls raymond Felton, but the Jazz had a foul to give so
at 0:30 Marvin fouls Jr Smith who makes 1 of 2 fts. (17 seconds wasted)
At 0:28 Jazz take a 20 sec timeout. Down by 6.

After taking time to draw up a play the Jazz struggle to inbound the ball, finally get it in and Mo ends up missing a 2pt shot 10 feet from the basket. Game Over.

I try not to call people names, and have stayed away from the fire corbin chatter. But this team cannot manage end of game situations, in-bounds plays, clock management, and it doesn't even know when to foul and when not to, or how to play a simple 2 for 1. That is on the coaching staff, and it is costing the Jazz wins.

And it has been that way for going on 3 seasons.
 
Bill Oram @tribjazz about 8 hours ago
According to @Steve Luhm, Al Jefferson ducked out of Jazz locker room without speaking to the media. He is a team captain.

I just saw this. Classy. I guess I wouldn't want to talk either if I had just got it handed to me by Kurt Thomas and Kenyon Martin. Betcha he still was able to cash his check in good concious.
 
That's not true, Corbin knows exactly why we lost. It's because the Knicks used a team fill of vets and super vets (really old guys) to win. The magical vet power took over the game at the end.

On a related note, I was told Corbin talked with Kurt Thomas after the game and promised him 30+ minutes a game if he would sign with the Jazz.

It's pretty sad that I can't be certain that you're joking.
 
Bill Oram @tribjazz about 8 hours ago
According to @Steve Luhm, Al Jefferson ducked out of Jazz locker room without speaking to the media. He is a team captain.

I just saw this. Classy. I guess I wouldn't want to talk either if I had just got it handed to me by Kurt Thomas and Kenyon Martin. Betcha he still was able to cash his check in good concious.

I think he is making it easier and easier for the FO to move on without him. First his bad defense and now stuff like this. I know Larry wouldn't like it, I just hope Greg thinks the same way.
 
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