Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

[One Brow]

Is there a study that supports this or is it your opinion?

FWIW I disagree with this opinion, but could be swayed by facts.

I don't think there are enough sibling marriages that a formal study could be done meaningfully. It is my opinion, based on, among other things, that such relationships would often have started when the two individuals were teenagers, with one of them having more household authority. Even years later, these things carry over.

 

[moevillini]

Pssh...Turns out this whole "gay marriage" thing was a waste of time.

oh, is that what this is about?

What about gay siblings? I think there should be an exception made for them.

 

[cowhide]

Its not about the Bible. Its about the creation of life. Marriage has always been about creating families. Only heterosexual relations can create offspring.


That being said I am not against gay marriage. Heterosexual and homosexuals should be seen as socially equal but they are obviously not biologically equal.

You don't have to be married to procreate. Marriage has changed over time and it had more to do with legal issues. Marriage became this "divine" thing when religion got ahold of it. Not every heterosexual person can or chooses to have children but they still can marry.

 

[moevillini]

ok

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[LogGrad98]

I don't think there are enough sibling marriages that a formal study could be done meaningfully. It is my opinion, based on, among other things, that such relationships would often have started when the two individuals were teenagers, with one of them having more household authority. Even years later, these things carry over.

It might. Imo it isn't enough of a concern to be a substantial reason to legislate against the marriage. You have unequal power structures in "normal" marriages too, and sometimes they work it out and sometimes they don't. Now I could see this being a reason for denying other incestuous marriages (e.g. parent-child, uncle-niece, etc.) but I think the risk among siblings would be pretty small and not a deciding factor.



edit: Is there a generic term for aunts and uncles or nieces or nephews the way there is the word "child" or "parent" or "sibling"? Just curious.

 

[colton]

edit: Is there a generic term for aunts and uncles or nieces or nephews the way there is the word "child" or "parent" or "sibling"? Just curious.

parents' siblings, and siblings' children, respectively. ;-)

 

[Darkwing Duck]

edit: Is there a generic term for aunts and uncles or nieces or nephews the way there is the word "child" or "parent" or "sibling"? Just curious.

Not in English that I'm aware of.

 

[LogGrad98]

parents' siblings, and siblings' children, respectively. ;-)

That's boring. We need a word(s) for that.

 

[colton]

That's boring. We need a word(s) for that.

We could make them up. How about piblings and shildren?

 

[PearlWatson]

I named a few objective measures that show no sign of a downward spiral.

I re-throught my response to this because it plays into things.

It wasn't my claim that morality would plummit because of homosexual "marriage." I don't know who prompted dalamon's strawman assertion but he can't back it up because there will never be agreement on what morality is, let alone what factors played into it's change, or what the timeline parameters would even be for such effects.

 

[One Brow]

I don't know who prompted dalamon's strawman assertion but he can't back it up because there will never be agreement on what morality is, let alone what factors played into it's change, or what the timeline parameters would even be for such effects.

I agree with this. There will never be a good reason to think homosexual marriage has had any significant effect on society.

 

[moevillini]

I agree with this. There will never be a good reason to think homosexual marriage has had any significant effect on society.

I think direct "cause and effect" for changes (whether positive, negative or neutral) in our society is pretty much speculative and subject to interpretation however, unless there is a physical basis (such as improved hygiene on lifespan and things like that)