Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

[Gameface]

Do gay men typically find the same features attractive that straight women do? Is it still about facial symmetry, masculine features and a low shoulder to hip ratio? Also, size "doesn't matter" to most females, do gay males also utter that same complete bs?


Just curious.

LOL, is that what she tells you?

 

[scootsy]

She keeps trying to tell me she chose me over him because of x, y, and z... But let's face it. The dude is a ballin' finance bro with fat stacks and Robert Pattinson looks.

There's only one thing I'm certain I got him beat on... Which is how I learned first hand size DOES matter!

 

[moevillini]

Anyhow, just read in the NYT that the Vatican is softening it's stance against homosexuality

Will try to link ...

 

[moevillini]

https://nytimes.com/2014/10/14/worl...ore-tolerance-toward-gays-and-remarriage.html

VATICAN CITY — In a marked shift in tone likely to be discussed in parishes around the world, an assembly of Roman Catholic bishops convened by Pope Francis at the Vatican released a preliminary document on Monday calling for the church to welcome and accept gay people, unmarried couples and those who have divorced, as well as the children of these less traditional families.

The bishops’ report, issued midway through a landmark two-week meeting, does not change church doctrine or teaching, and will now be subjected to fierce debate and revision at the assembly.

But it is the first signal that the institutional church may follow the direction Francis has set in the first 18 months of his papacy, away from condemnation of unconventional family situations and toward understanding, openness and mercy.

 

[fishonjazz]

Anyhow, just read in the NYT that the Vatican is softening it's stance against homosexuality

Will try to link ...

Probably hoping that if they soften thier stance on homosexuality that everyone else with soften thier stance on molesting young boys.

:^O

 

[colton]

This may be slightly off topic but I was going through reddit and came across something called the CES letter. It appears to be some questions a 6th generation Mormon has to a CES director of the church. It appears to be well researched. If a Mormon is able to answer these questions than they have good defense against their faith as I believe it really hits on the hard questions.

https://cesletter.com/Letter-to-a-CES-Director.pdf

I just read through the bulk of it, and it doesn't contain much that I haven't seen before. I have answered all of those questions for myself, to my own satisfaction. If you'd like to discuss things, I'm willing to give my answers. This isn't the right thread, though. Feel free to revive my "Ask a Mormon" thread, https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15752, or even take the questions to me in PM if you'd prefer. Due to the sheer size of the document, however, it would probably be best for you to indicate which ones you'd most like to discuss first rather than expect me to write a full response all at once.

 

[DutchJazzer]

How many straight people are going to abandon their heterosexual one man one woman marriages in favor of a gay marriage? None, that's how many.

well assuming this article is correct.
there is one for u

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/09/13692/

 

[scootsy]

I just read through the bulk of it, and it doesn't contain much that I haven't seen before. I have answered all of those questions for myself, to my own satisfaction. If you'd like to discuss things, I'm willing to give my answers. This isn't the right thread, though. Feel free to revive my "Ask a Mormon" thread, https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?15752, or even take the questions to me in PM if you'd prefer. Due to the sheer size of the document, however, it would probably be best for you to indicate which ones you'd most like to discuss first rather than expect me to write a full response all at once.

Hey I already revived that wanted a question answered and only got crickets!!!!

:angryface:

 

[One Brow]

Do gay men typically find the same features attractive that straight women do? Is it still about facial symmetry, masculine features and a low shoulder to hip ratio? Also, size "doesn't matter" to most females, do gay males also utter that same complete bs?

Gay men are as varied in their appreciation of the male form as straight women, I'd imagine. Outside of symmetry, I don't think there is any biological feature that is universally attractive in either sex.

 

[scootsy]

Gay men are as varied in their appreciation of the male form as straight women, I'd imagine. Outside of symmetry, I don't think there is any biological feature that is universally attractive in either sex.

there may not be any universal traits, but there are certainly general ones: symmetry, sexual dimorphism, shoulder-to-hip ratio (.85-.95 are rated highly attractive by a massive majority of people)

 

[Gameface]

well assuming this article is correct.
there is one for u

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/09/13692/

Try again, her husband was gay.

I tried to read the rest of that article and got most the way through it. She sure does feel like her gay husband owed her the life she wanted, with all the material wealth and security her little heart desired. Never once did she seem in the least concerned with his desires or what their marriage meant for him. She just knew what his duty to her was. I bet she was a real peach.

I know many many men who's wives leave them completely against their wishes, often because the woman feels bored or bogged down or unfulfilled. It's completely legal and acceptable in our society. I know there are stories from the female perspective just as heartbreaking but I mostly know other men, so it's their stories I hear. But now that gay couples are getting married we hear the exact same types of stories and somehow now it's unacceptable and we should restrict the freedoms and liberties (don't even need to use the word "rights") of gay people to protect them and those around them from the injustices straight people are free to inflict on one another.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Try again, her husband was gay.

I tried to read the rest of that article and got most the way through it. She sure does feel like her gay husband owed her the life she wanted, with all the material wealth and security her little heart desired. Never once did she seem in the least concerned with his desires or what their marriage meant for him. She just knew what his duty to her was. I bet she was a real peach.

I know many many men who's wives leave them completely against their wishes, often because the woman feels bored or bogged down or unfulfilled. It's completely legal and acceptable in our society. I know there are stories from the female perspective just as heartbreaking but I mostly know other men, so it's their stories I hear. But now that gay couples are getting married we hear the exact same types of stories and somehow now it's unacceptable and we should restrict the freedoms and liberties (don't even need to use the word "rights") of gay people to protect them and those around them from the injustices straight people are free to inflict on one another.

again assuming that story is true(i never hear dof the site, yu may question the validity of the site)
the problem is the kids are taken away from the mother.
in most marriages the mother ussually has "monoploy" on the children.
but because her husband has better job and "better" home/family live. she lost her kids to the husband. because of the marriage they also have better economical situation than a single mother. which ofcourse led to her losing her biological children to some **** (rhymes with swags).

this whole shift in definition of marriage. muddies the position of husband and wife in relation to children. and that has a negative impact on society.
but then again i might not grasp the article since it is not in my native language