Gay marriage in Utah put on hold

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No I haven't looked into it. I said I'm not interested in an argument about it, just curious what research is out there on the same subject that would be credible.

Research like this finds what the researchers want it to. The truth is loving responsible parents raise loving responsible people.

 

[moevillini]

https://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/10/30/1110591/regnerus-admits-gay-parenting/

An internal audit by the academic journal that originally published it found the conclusions to be “bull****” because Regnerus’s criteria was whether a kid’s parent ever had a same-sex relationship, regardless of how long it lasted or what role in played in parenting. In a new interview with Focus on the Family — a group invested in continuing to cite the study to oppose LGBT equality — Regnerus admits that the foundation of his study is too weak to draw the conclusions that many have made:

REGNERUS: I got taken to task for leaning on young adults’ assessments of their parents’ relationships. I didn’t ask them whether they thought their mom was a lesbian or if their dad was gay...I didn’t want to make the assumption that these young adults would identify their parents as gay or lesbian, so I kept the focus on relationship behavior. [...]

And when pushed, a lot of people who were critics of mine will say: “Yeah, we know that, obviously, family structure matters,” and then they’ll complain, “Why didn’t you find many stably coupled lesbians?” Well, they just were not that common in the nationally representative population. There were two cases where they said the mom and her partner lived together for 18 years. There was another several who lived together for 15 or 13 years. So, stability in the sense of long-term was not common. And frankly, it’s not all that common among heterosexual population. I take pains in the study to say this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad...."

...So, Regnerus’ study was not about parents who openly identify as gay or lesbian. It was not about same-sex couples in long-term relationships raising children together. Regnerus even admits “this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad,” because he knows has no foundation on which to make such a claim. This was a study about unstable couples, possibly in sham marriages, who may have dabbled in same-sex relationships outside of their original marriage at a time when there was no recognition for same-sex couples anywhere in the country. In others words, the study’s results have zero implication for conversations in 2012 about out, committed same-sex couples who are already raising children.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/sunday-commentary/20130614-mark-regnerus-defending-my-research-on-same-sex-parenting.ece

here's another link with some good insight from Mark Regnerus about this study - some key points:

* not sure when the study was done, but the "children" interviewed were as old as 39 at the time of the interviews

* parents did not self-identify as gay, but were known to have had a same-sex liaison at some point during the time the "children" were still living in the home

* today’s standards about orientation and openness differ greatly from the social realities of two or three decades ago

 

[DutchJazzer]

I remember reading research on food studies when I was younger and super interested in Nutrition. Read some super positive study about the health effects of eggs, but then learned a year later that the study was funded by the Egg Lobby (not the actual name of the lobby, but you get what I mean). Turns out recent information shows eggs are actually pretty unhealthy.

but then another study showed eggs are healthy again
those damm eggs cant make up their stupid mind.

 

[PearlWatson]

So they enter the relationship already subject to various baggage, button-pushing, etc.

So what if it is consensual?

 

[PearlWatson]

If that's what my posts "sound" like to you, then your reading comprehension is a characteristic example of the flawed American education system that the whole world laughs at.

I simply noted your similarities with eugenicists with the phrasing about "public health risk", and then playing the dictator and granting permission to marry only if they "DESTROYED their reproductive organs."

If two siblings destroyed their reproductive organs prenuptially, and asked if they could get married, I would say yes. Wouldn't think twice.

Of course America's education system is flawed, because it has become a libtarded bastion of social engineering just like Canaduh's

 

[DutchJazzer]

speaking of eugenics.
murder needs to be illegal.
yes abortion is MURDER

 

[Deleted member 848]

I simply noted your similarities with eugenicists with the phrasing about "public health risk", and then playing the dictator and granting permission to marry only if they "DESTROYED their reproductive organs."



Of course America's education system is flawed, because it has become a libtarded bastion of social engineering just like Canaduh's

Right, so answering a hypothetical question counts as an endorsement.

That PearlWatson deductive reasoning

Edit: I'm glad you've found an explanation for the educational system that helps you sleep at night

 

[Deleted member 848]

Research like this finds what the researchers want it to. The truth is loving responsible parents raise loving responsible people.

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[Deleted member 848]

No I haven't looked into it. I said I'm not interested in an argument about it, just curious what research is out there on the same subject that would be credible.

The "haven't read" tidbit was directed to GVC, sorry about that. He mentioned that the paper wasn't a biased study cuz it came from a peer-reviewed journal.

 

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Do you know that for a fact?

Yes, in the same way I know they would rather eat macaroni and cheese for dinner than have no food at all. Humans desire love, belonging, and security over a state of permanent not-really-belonging and having to change your family every couple of years so you and they don't get too attached. Perhaps that's not true for bipedal apes.

 

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but what if it is a fact?
meaning what if a bipedal ape walks to me demanding to be called human.

Since they are the same thing, why would you object?

 

[One Brow]

So what if it is consensual?

So there is a greater chance it may not be fully consensual.