Gay Nightclub mass shooting -- Orlando, Florida

[Siro]

@ siro

The brain is a meat computer. Correct?

What we call the mind seems to be governed by the brain. Correct?

That meat computer makes decisions based on it's current state. Correct?

Particles that are governed by quantum mechanics are an integral part of defining that state. Correct?

Those particles exist as a wave function until measured observed. Correct?

In essence the mind exist in multiple States until observed by itself. Correct?

(Insert Twilight Zone gif)

Can we say anything with certainty about a system(the mind) that seems to be toeing the line between both classical and quantum mechanics when we still haven't a United Theory of the two? I would agree that free will seems to be on Shaky Ground but I'm not sure if physics has yet given us a satisfactory answer to the question.

That's not correct, no. The brain does not exist in a super-position or anything like that. The neural structure that governs computation is a macro object that exists in a coherent state. No quantum computations happen as far as I'm aware, altho I did read theories that some might be occurring. Regardless, let's assume that your picture is correct, and that the mind collapses upon interaction (and keep in mind that I'm giving you this, since it doesn't), it would still not allow for free will. The collapse would be random. So we're talking about choice being random, and not free at all.

Either way, most of what I got was arrogant responses by people who think they have it figured out. No serious suggestions at all of how this magical free will is supposed to work in a causal universe. Unless such paradigm is presented, there is no point in going on.

 

[addictionary]

That's not correct, no. The brain does not exist in a super-position or anything like that. The neural structure that governs computation is a macro object that exists in a coherent state. No quantum computations happen as far as I'm aware, altho I did read theories that some might be occurring. Regardless, let's assume that your picture is correct, and that the mind collapses upon interaction (and keep in mind that I'm giving you this, since it doesn't), it would still not allow for free will. The collapse would be random. So we're talking about choice being random, and not free at all.

Either way, most of what I got was arrogant responses by people who think they have it figured out. No serious suggestions at all of how this magical free will is supposed to work in a causal universe. Unless such paradigm is presented, there is no point in going on.

I was serious about free will being a sociopolitical concept and maybe you should stop criticizing it like it forces the laws of physics and existence.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

That's not correct, no. The brain does not exist in a super-position or anything like that. The neural structure that governs computation is a macro object that exists in a coherent state. No quantum computations happen as far as I'm aware, altho I did read theories that some might be occurring. Regardless, let's assume that your picture is correct, and that the mind collapses upon interaction (and keep in mind that I'm giving you this, since it doesn't), it would still not allow for free will. The collapse would be random. So we're talking about choice being random, and not free at all.

Either way, most of what I got was arrogant responses by people who think they have it figured out. No serious suggestions at all of how this magical free will is supposed to work in a causal universe. Unless such paradigm is presented, there is no point in going on.

If you really believe these ideas that you are advancing then it makes no sense that you're upset or surprised at our responses. Our reactions do not reflect any free choice, after all.

On a side note, with regard to this issue I haven't seen anyone other than you who "thinks they have it figured out."

 

[addictionary]

If you really believe these ideas that you are advancing then it makes no sense that you're upset or surprised at our responses. Our reactions do not reflect any free choice, after all.

On a side note, with regard to this issue I haven't seen anyone other than you who "thinks they have it figured out."

I have no choice that I have free will. Can't help it.

 

[The Thriller]

Republicans gotta repub. who the hell votes for this dumbass party?

https://nypost.com/2016/06/16/john-mccain-blames-obama-for-orlando-massacre/

WASHINGTON — President Obama is “directly responsible” for the jihadist massacre of 49 people in Orlando, a senior Republican Senator said Thursday.

“Barack Obama is directly responsible for it, because when he pulled everybody out of Iraq, al-Qaeda went to Syria, became ISIS, and ISIS is what it is today thanks to Barack Obama’s failures,” John McCain said of the killings.

 

[addictionary]

Republicans gotta repub. who the hell votes for this dumbass party?

https://nypost.com/2016/06/16/john-mccain-blames-obama-for-orlando-massacre/

White trash?

 

[mellow]

Just like McCain's blabbering, your post only incites more violence and hatred and drives deeper the wedge that divides people. I urge you to reconsider how you talk to and about people with different opinions. The USA is on the verge of something awful, but we can stop it if we can treat others with kindness and respect. I believe little interactions, like our business interactions, the talk we have with the convenience store clerk and even the words and tone we use on the internet can have a cumulative effect for good.

 

[The Thriller]

Just like McCain's blabbering, your post only incites more violence and hatred and drives deeper the wedge that divides people. I urge you to reconsider how you talk to and about people with different opinions. The USA is on the verge of something awful, but we can stop it if we can treat others with kindness and respect. I believe little interactions, like our business interactions, the talk we have with the convenience store clerk and even the words and tone we use on the internet can have a cumulative effect for good.

Wait what? Why ya mad at the messenger? It's not my fault McCain is a senile mess. It's not me who's voting for Donald Dump in record numbers.

 

[franklin]

Republicans gotta repub. who the hell votes for this dumbass party?

https://nypost.com/2016/06/16/john-mccain-blames-obama-for-orlando-massacre/

I tend to listen to every single word John McCain says regarding foreign policy. The dude is a complete bad *** and knows his stuff. He brings to light a lot of simple things that many Americans are simply clueless to (because we are Americans and DGAF much about world affairs), and he does it in a very keen, presentable approach.

I would vote for McCain in a heartbeat. 2008 saw 3 of the best presidential candidates of my lifetime: McCain, Romney, Guiliani. It's too bad they decided to destroy each other.

 

[moevillini]

Just like McCain's blabbering, your post only incites more violence and hatred and drives deeper the wedge that divides people. I urge you to reconsider how you talk to and about people with different opinions. The USA is on the verge of something awful, but we can stop it if we can treat others with kindness and respect. I believe little interactions, like our business interactions, the talk we have with the convenience store clerk and even the words and tone we use on the internet can have a cumulative effect for good.

we all need to watch more Teletubbies.

I love you, you love me...

 

[Miggs]

Wait what? Why ya mad at the messenger? It's not my fault McCain is a senile mess. It's not me who's voting for Donald Dump in record numbers.

You can't even respond to an intelligent post with ranting. Sad, bro. Re-read his post. It's spot on.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Wait what? Why ya mad at the messenger? It's not my fault McCain is a senile mess. It's not me who's voting for Donald Dump in record numbers.

Mellow urges you to be mellow for some pretty mellow reasons (not surprising), and you interpret that as an insult and a reason to add to your rant (also, unfortunately, not surprising).