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Gay Nightclub mass shooting -- Orlando, Florida

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Well, then it's all good, right. There's no way thinking being gay(or having gay sex, because he's pretending they're different things) is immoral in any way contributes to dehumanization of gay people.

I think it does, but I also think it deserves proportional response(as in calmly engaging those people and challenging their views), rather than lumping them in a group with the killers and pouring your ire on them almost on the same level as you do with the killers.
 
Theirs personal view/opinions and there's actions.

To me, this is not a religious divide. There's religious undertones, for sure, but killing is another level.
 
Well, then it's all good, right. There's no way thinking being gay(or having gay sex, because he's pretending they're different things) is immoral in any way contributes to dehumanization of gay people.

Can you say this in English?
 
Theirs personal view/opinions and there's actions.

To me, this is not a religious divide. There's religious undertones, for sure, but killing is another level.

I think it's a 1+1

- rampant homophobia across the US, across all Abrahamic faiths
- bizarre access to firearms (including particularly deadly ones)

Personal views very much lead to actions. Gay marriage barely passed 5-4 in the Supreme Court & it's already being threatened to be reversed.
 
I'm very ready and willing and excited to talk homophobia with someone, but it's full-out laughable when people disingenuously appraise it uniquely as a Muslim issue.

Look no further than this thread (and forum) where you have the resident Muslims being more staunchly in favour of liberties for LGBT people than their Mormon and/or fundamentalist Christian counterparts.

Agree completely but why go after the Mormons? Last I checked they do not have sects beheading gays or raping reporters or bombing people in the name of Zion.

Again I want to reiterate [MENTION=430]Dr. Jones[/MENTION] post that we do not see things as anti-Muslim but anti-radical. [MENTION=848]dalamon[/MENTION] I love and appreciate your courage speaking out on these issues.
 
lumping them in a group with the killers and pouring your ire on them almost on the same level as you do with the killers.

Someone/something has to create killers. No one lives in a bubble. Someone has to create that atmosphere, the views, the hate. It doesn't happen on its own, and we give those people who create that hate a pass.

When mass killings and even genocide happens around the world, we tend to demand that politicians and soldiers be brought to justice. Those directly involved in ordering and perpetrating atrocities. We never think to go after journalist who would stoke fires of hate, who would dehumanize entire groups, and sometimes outright call for killing. We never think to go after all kinds of non-political and non-military public figures who created the hate. I know there's criminal responsibility, but is there no moral responsibility?

I mean, the father of this perpetrator claims he saw two man kissing and it made the dude angry. Ok, clearly, he told you about if you're telling us about it. What did you tell him as a father? Did you tell him there was nothing wrong with being gay? That two men kissing isn't something shocking, it's normal? Did you spend 30 years raising a son by telling him to love everyone and not hate anyone? Did you show him, by words and deeds, that gay people are people just like you and your son? I'd love to ask the father this. I'd love to ask if he feels moral responsibility for this? If other people feel any moral responsibility for creating a culture of hate.
 
Someone/something has to create killers. No one lives in a bubble. Someone has to create that atmosphere, the views, the hate. It doesn't happen on its own, and we give those people who create that hate a pass.

When mass killings and even genocide happens around the world, we tend to demand that politicians and soldiers be brought to justice. Those directly involved in ordering and perpetrating atrocities. We never think to go after journalist who would stoke fires of hate, who would dehumanize entire groups, and sometimes outright call for killing. We never think to go after all kinds of non-political and non-military public figures who created the hate. I know there's criminal responsibility, but is there no moral responsibility?

I mean, the father of this perpetrator claims he saw two man kissing and it made the dude angry. Ok, clearly, he told you about if you're telling us about it. What did you tell him as a father? Did you tell him there was nothing wrong with being gay? That two men kissing isn't something shocking, it's normal? Did you spend 30 years raising a son by telling him to love everyone and not hate anyone? Did you show him, by words and deeds, that gay people are people just like you and your son? I'd love to ask the father this. I'd love to ask if he feels moral responsibility for this? If other people feel any moral responsibility for creating a culture of hate.
It's obvious you're a legit radical sympathisizer.
Fine.

But why try to rationalize it? Just kill, right?
 
Someone/something has to create killers. No one lives in a bubble. Someone has to create that atmosphere, the views, the hate. It doesn't happen on its own, and we give those people who create that hate a pass.

When mass killings and even genocide happens around the world, we tend to demand that politicians and soldiers be brought to justice. Those directly involved in ordering and perpetrating atrocities. We never think to go after journalist who would stoke fires of hate, who would dehumanize entire groups, and sometimes outright call for killing. We never think to go after all kinds of non-political and non-military public figures who created the hate. I know there's criminal responsibility, but is there no moral responsibility?

I mean, the father of this perpetrator claims he saw two man kissing and it made the dude angry. Ok, clearly, he told you about if you're telling us about it. What did you tell him as a father? Did you tell him there was nothing wrong with being gay? That two men kissing isn't something shocking, it's normal? Did you spend 30 years raising a son by telling him to love everyone and not hate anyone? Did you show him, by words and deeds, that gay people are people just like you and your son? I'd love to ask the father this. I'd love to ask if he feels moral responsibility for this? If other people feel any moral responsibility for creating a culture of hate.

Hard to disagree with anything here and my opinion is very similar. I just thought that you went after #bern a bit too hard. I guess it's just a matter of disagreement over style rathern than substance. Cheers.
 
It's obvious you're a legit radical sympathisizer.
Fine.

But why try to rationalize it? Just kill, right?

Stepping away from the homophobic issue for a second-- you've mentioned that you prefer an incremental approach to a radical approach before.


Hypothetically, (and this applies to all) how much gun violence will it take for you to shift your stance on the 2nd amendment? Honest question.
 
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