George Hill coming to Utah

[Jazz4ever]

It was a bad trade because Hill was hurt so much.

If you get Teague instead of Hill, you might end up third in the west, play in the conference finals, you already have Teague extended and Hayward is talking about how he signs at midnight so we can add another piece or two.

Compare that to where we are now: if Hayward leaves, we are back to tanking. If Hayward stays, are you more likely to re-sign an old PG that has been hurt a lot? Probably.

When you realize you could have had Teague instead, it was a bad trade.

Teague is a FA buddy. His agent is of the same money grubbing ilk Hill's is and no extension would have got done. His agent will be seeking a near max - max.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

It was a bad trade because Hill was hurt so much.

If you get Teague instead of Hill, you might end up third in the west, play in the conference finals, you already have Teague extended and Hayward is talking about how he signs at midnight so we can add another piece or two.

Compare that to where we are now: if Hayward leaves, we are back to tanking. If Hayward stays, are you more likely to re-sign an old PG that has been hurt a lot? Probably.

When you realize you could have had Teague instead, it was a bad trade.

Yeah, stupid Hill. DL should have known a guy like Hill would take an elbow to the face. Teague is younger, and Younger guys never take elbows to the face and stuff.

It's funny how the guys who disliked this trade were complaining about using a draft pick on a 1 year rental, but then somehow also want to claim Teague would have been better.

Teague would have left for sure. Utah has a decent chance to keep Hill, and he actually plays both sides of the court, unlike Teague. It's not even close , really. Hill was the right choice regardless of his injuries.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Teague is a FA buddy. His agent is of the same money grubbing ilk Hill's is and no extension would have got done. His agent will be seeking a near max - max.

Hopefully Teague moves teams too. Need as many PG as possible to go to new teams to dry up the Hill market.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Here's who went at 12. Nah.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/princta02.html

After him? I don't see a recognizable name.

Don't worry. The expert draft watcher dudes will find somebody we OBVIOUSLY should have taken with the 12th. Probably Skal. Which would be awesome, because we'd have him to take over after Hayward left for greener pastures.

 

[green]

Teague wanted a max extension. We could have given it to him. He wouldn't have been a FA, buddies.

 

[green]

And what the **** does an elbow to face have to do with Hill's toe. Teague was healthy all year. Hill wasn't.

To argue that Hill was better last fall was foolish. To do it now is just dumb.

 

[The Midnight]

Teague wanted a max extension. We could have given it to him. He wouldn't have been a FA, buddies.

I don't know if Teague's 3pt shooting is good enough for our team though. Teague is also VERY ball dominant. He needs the ball in his hands to get those assists. That's his game. Quin wants to put the ball in Hayward's hand. Hill is definitely a better fit.

 

[Ron Mexico]

And what the **** does an elbow to face have to do with Hill's toe. Teague was healthy all year. Hill wasn't.

To argue that Hill was better last fall was foolish. To do it now is just dumb.

Hill was better than Teague when healthy. Hill if re-signed will be better than Teague next season. Hill was better for us in the first round of playoffs against the Clippers than Teague would have been. It would have made 0 difference if we had Teague against GS.

Hill was a better choice for our team over Teague.

 

[The Midnight]

I tend to agree with PG_AB. Wasn't a huge fan of the trade, felt like they were doing what they promised not to do and started skipping steps. Not sure it hurts the franchise too much though unless there was someone available last year at 12 that we're going to wish we had. I don't see that at this point.

I think they felt like they needed to do something to increase the chance of Hayward staying.


I get why they had to do it.

 

[The Midnight]

All for naught, SENSATIONALIZE IT ALL YOU WANT. The proof is in the pudding. We haven't even gotten to the part where he tries to price gouge them yet, and as a franchise, they asked for that... He provided great moments against bottom-feeders like the Knicks and Lakers.

It was a terrible trade. Time will only further prove that to be true.


Was the trading up for Trey Burke a terrible trade too? or u in full denial/territorial mode?

I called the Trey Burke pick out, in great detail, MONTHS in advance too.. While lames like [MENTION=848]dalamon[/MENTION] called him the savior and god and grotesque things of that nature. I said this guy has a step-back J and not much else.

I even said I'd stop rooting for the team if they picked burke, and I planned to but I said since they drafted Rudy i'm gonna stick around. None of this is sensationalized either..

There were people calling for Burke from the 1st page of the 2013 draftees thread --- I thoroughly debunked many of his 'strengths and weaknesses' beyond a shadow of a doubt.. and then what happened? Burke proved pretty much every word of it true.


How many ****ing idiots went out of their way to try and trash DENNIS SCHRODER, who I said is definitely better, to make their point about Burke??? ha? DENIAL is heavy here. You lose a battle like that, you retreat to higher ground and try again. I'll ****ing beat you every which way tho. My point has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt -- DENY DENY DENY tho. It's a terrific compliment, thank you all. You proved my point, not me.

I was VERY high on Schroeder, but even I thought Trey Burke was a great pick at the time.



Who would have thought his college's hot 3pt wouldn't translate to the NBA? Had he been able to hit anywhere near his college percentage he would have been a solid starter in the NBA.


He also did not improve AT ALL, which was a big surprise to me given his character and age.

 

[green]

I don't know if Teague's 3pt shooting is good enough for our team though. Teague is also VERY ball dominant. He needs the ball in his hands to get those assists. That's his game. Quin wants to put the ball in Hayward's hand. Hill is definitely a better fit.

First, we need ball dominance. We don't take the ball to the hoop enough. Teague would be perfect for us and our offense. He'd attack the rim more, draw more fouls, and free up Hayward, Johnson, Ingles, Hood, etc for open three point looks. And, he'd be great in the pick and roll with Favors and Gobert.

Also, as far as three point shooting goes, Hill is 1.2 out of 3.3 per game in threes. 1 for 2.4 per game. .36% vs .38%. Pretty negligible if you ask me. Plus, Teague is younger and fits in with this team long term better.

 

[The Midnight]

First, we need ball dominance. We don't take the ball to the hoop enough. Teague would be perfect for us and our offense. He'd attack the rim more, draw more fouls, and free up Hayward, Johnson, Ingles, Hood, etc for open three point looks. And, he'd be great in the pick and roll with Favors and Gobert.

Also, as far as three point shooting goes, Hill is 1.2 out of 3.3 per game in threes. 1 for 2.4 per game. .36% vs .38%. Pretty negligible if you ask me. Plus, Teague is younger and fits in with this team long term better.

I dunno, I think he's a traditional PG who doesn't quite fit in Quin's system.


How about defensively though? That's our identity. Hill is longer and is a better defender.