George Hill coming to Utah

[green]

Hill was better than Teague when healthy. Hill if re-signed will be better than Teague next season. Hill was better for us in the first round of playoffs against the Clippers than Teague would have been. It would have made 0 difference if we had Teague against GS.

Hill was a better choice for our team over Teague.

Hill played 49 games.
Teague played 82.

That right there has no counter argument. If you don't think Teague for almost twice as many games would have made Utah better...then the conversations over.

Hill: 17 points, 4 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 40% from three, 19 PER, .599 TS%, 2.2 VORP
Teague: 15 points, 8 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 36% from three, 19 PER, .574 TS%, 2.6 VORP

Hill played on a much better team. Hill accounted for 25-29 points per game. Teague accounted for 31-39 points per game.

Come on now. To argue Hill was better for Utah this year, with him only playing 49 games...is just dumb. You're digging in.

 

[Elizah Huge]

You all should put this troll on ignore. You'll save yourself a lot of time not arguing with an idiot.


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[Coach Ellis]

I'll wait to see how their contracts shake out and if either guy stays with the team that traded for him.

 

[green]

I dunno, I think he's a traditional PG who doesn't quite fit in Quin's system.


How about defensively though? That's our identity. Hill is longer and is a better defender.

49 games vs 82. It's a no brainer. Who cares about your defense when you don't play.

Hill's DBPM: -0.3. Teague's: 1.9

Teague is a better defender. Don't buy into the jazzfanz myths.

Hill steal %: 1.7. Teague: 1.9.

Hill DWS: 1.9. Teague: 2.4.

Hlll steals: 1.0. Teague: 1.2

Teague is a better defender than Hill. He is younger. He is healthier. He is a better ball distributor. There was no good reason to pick Hill over Teague.

And the Jazz paid for it with their decision when they decided to go cheap.

 

[green]

You all should put this troll on ignore. You'll save yourself a lot of time not arguing with an idiot.


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Show me where I'm wrong. Or, do you think 49 games is better than 82? Do you think lower defensive ratings is better than higher? Do you think older is better than younger?

Or, are you just a dumbass?

Thought so.

 

[The Midnight]

49 games vs 82. It's a no brainer. Who cares about your defense when you don't play.

Hill's DBPM: -0.3. Teague's: 1.9

Teague is a better defender. Don't buy into the jazzfanz myths.

Hill steal %: 1.7. Teague: 1.9.

Hill DWS: 1.9. Teague: 2.4.

Hlll steals: 1.0. Teague: 1.2

Teague is a better defender than Hill. He is younger. He is healthier. He is a better ball distributor. There was no good reason to pick Hill over Teague.

And the Jazz paid for it with their decision when they decided to go cheap.

I don't get how going for Hill over Teague is 'cheap'?

 

[The Midnight]

[MENTION=228]green[/MENTION], hindsight is a wonderful thing Who would have thought Hill would be hit with so many injuries at the time the trade occurred?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Show me where I'm wrong. Or, do you think 49 games is better than 82? Do you think lower defensive ratings is better than higher? Do you think older is better than younger?

Or, are you just a dumbass?

Thought so.

I was talking about PG_ABitch but thanks for calling me a dumbass anyways.


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[green]

I don't get how going for Hill over Teague is 'cheap'?

Teague wanted a max extension from whatever team he went to. I think Utah was hoping Hill would come in, be good, and then resign for cheap in December. When Hill was getting chatter of a max deal, that plan blew up in their faces. Then Hill went down with injury an a suspect trade turned into an awful trade.

Like I said earlier, you could have traded for Teague and extended him. You get Teague for all 82 games, a better defender, a better scorer, an almost equivalent three point shooter (and whose to say Teague's % isn't better on a better team).

Hill sat out for 33 games. I think we were slightly under .500 in those games. If we go .622 in those games (our regular season win %), that is about 4 extra wins. That ties us for third place in the west.

Suddenly, we don't get GS until the WCF's.

The Jazz gave that up, in hopes that they could re-sign Hill cheaper than Teague.

 

[green]

I was talking about PG_ABitch but thanks for calling me a dumbass anyways.


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Well, then, I apologize. I'm sorry.

 

[green]

[MENTION=228]green[/MENTION], hindsight is a wonderful thing Who would have thought Hill would be hit with so many injuries at the time the trade occurred?

My point is this:

It was a bad trade even if Hill stays healthy. BUT, because he was hurt, it becomes an AWFUL trade.

 

[The Midnight]

Teague wanted a max extension from whatever team he went to. I think Utah was hoping Hill would come in, be good, and then resign for cheap in December. When Hill was getting chatter of a max deal, that plan blew up in their faces. Then Hill went down with injury an a suspect trade turned into an awful trade.

Like I said earlier, you could have traded for Teague and extended him. You get Teague for all 82 games, a better defender, a better scorer, an almost equivalent three point shooter (and whose to say Teague's % isn't better on a better team).

Hill sat out for 33 games. I think we were slightly under .500 in those games. If we go .622 in those games (our regular season win %), that is about 4 extra wins. That ties us for third place in the west.

Suddenly, we don't get GS until the WCF's.

The Jazz gave that up, in hopes that they could re-sign Hill cheaper than Teague.

Look, I know Teague. I had him this whole year on my fantasy team and I eventually won the whole thing with him as my 5th-6th best player. He was a significant contributor to my team. I followed him all season and I feel like I know him better than most here.


Yes, he had a pretty good season. Nothing spectacular, but a solid season. His main contribution to my team was his assists. He wasn't a big 3pt shooter, not consistent. His scoring is also not consistent. His midrange isn't something to brag about. He occasionally drive and dish, but for some reason he was very hesitant to do that. He was certainly ball dominant.


All and all, a solid player, but just not a player I feel Quin or DL would think is a good fit for our team. He holds the ball too much for our system (just ask Paul George, who I don't think appreciate it all that much). He also was a very so so defender.