Global Warming -- How to Talk to a Skeptic

[babe]

just dioing a little google work here:

https://www.iceagenow.com/Pravda-Earth_on_the_Brink_of_an_Ice_Age.htm

includes the statement:

The data from paleoclimatology, including ice cores, sea sediments, geology, paleobotany and zoology, indicate that we are on the verge of entering another Ice Age, and the data also shows that severe and lasting climate change can occur within only a few years.

 

[One Brow]

I'm not trying to defend those statements as they are pretty dumb... but in practical application the colder beer is the more "units" of CO2 it will absorb at a given CO2 pressure.

If a drink goes flat in the fridge, and you drink it while it is still cold, it's still flat. It has to warm to bring out the bubbles, as you noted.

 

[babe]

I read the link, and you are interpreting the graph wrongly. Temperature and CO2 have never climbed as quickly as they have these past 150 years.

So here is a statement from the first link, which you are referring to here. . . .

On a shorter time scale, global temperatures fluctuate often and rapidly. Various records reveal numerous large, widespread, abrupt climate changes over the past 100,000 years. One of the more recent intriguing findings is the remarkable speed of these changes. Within the incredibly short time span (by geologic standards) of only a few decades or even a few years, global temperatures have fluctuated by as much as 15°F (8°C) or more.

My notion of ice ages being immediately preceded by spikes in temps goes back to my reading in the late 1970s, which was primarily peer-reviewed publications on the subject. . . .

I am leaving now for a 36-hr excursion to my ranch, which is experiencing sub-zero temps tonight, and the third year in a row of substantial snowfall that is covering the forage available to my cows. In 1996 I looked at some tree rings in the forest on the mountains above that spot, and prognositcated that our previous 100 years have been drier than any comparable time over the past 400 years, and warmer as well. Our "Little Ice Age" ended with the advent of the industrial age, 1850 or so, and it has always seemed to me a bit of moronicity to ignore that fact in discussing the past 160 years. The long-term cycles have us on a triple dip right now. . . . and I predict the next ten years will be comparable to the decade of 1840, with a decrease in the ppm CO2 to boot.

right now, I'm off to roll out the hay.

 

[Gameface]

If a drink goes flat in the fridge, and you drink it while it is still cold, it's still flat. It has to warm to bring out the bubbles, as you noted.

Right.

Honestly, I just wanted to talk. My post didn't really have a point.

 

[LogGrad98]

Right.

Honestly, I just wanted to talk. My post didn't really have a point.

Hey GF, how goes it?

 

[Gameface]

Hey GF, how goes it?

It's been better, tbpfhwy.

 

[LogGrad98]

Yep.

 

[babe]

I wasn't done with this when I took off to save my cows on the range. I know it's at least partly an "inversion" phenonemon, but it got down to -28 F, with highs of zero. Global warming has raised that to lows of -1 and highs of 20 today. . . one of those very short-term and very local sudden "spikes" in temps, and by next week it'll be an ice age all over. well, actually, the ring around the moon tonight says it'll snow again i n about three to five days. The last snow hasn't melted yet, at all. So, I'm heading back to take care of my animals. . . .

 

[One Brow]

A couple of articles on acceptance of climate change and cultural connections:

https://www.culturalcognition.net/b...e-1-the-interaction-effect-of-religion-s.html

https://www.culturalcognition.net/b...imate-change-risk-perception-measure-loo.html

 

[Harambe]

It's been better, tbpfhwy.

I'm not up for a full on poker night this year. 2014 is looking much better for me.

But if it'd cheer you up, I wouldn't mind getting together with the few peeps around the SL valley to watch a game and have some beers at a sports bar.. maybe Iggys.

 

[One Brow]

So far, 2013 is shaping up to be one of the four warmest years ever.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/11/

The globally-averaged temperature across land and ocean surfaces for the first eleven months of 2013 (January–November) was 0.62°C (1.06°F) above the 20th century average, tying with 2002 as the fourth warmest January–November on record.

and

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for November 2013 was record highest for the 134-year period of record,

 

[Gameface]

I'm not up for a full on poker night this year. 2014 is looking much better for me.

But if it'd cheer you up, I wouldn't mind getting together with the few peeps around the SL valley to watch a game and have some beers at a sports bar.. maybe Iggys.

Missed this first time around. Probably isn't going to work for me until 2014, but I'd be down for that. Bout Time isn't a bad place to watch a game, either.