Go GET Teague

[fishonjazz]

We were in a different life cycle at that time too... everyone could see we needed to unload guys like that and tank but instead we clung to hanging around the middle and slowing down the young guys. We are coming up now so I don't mind us asking the young guys to take a little bit of a back seat.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Corbin jazz vs current jazz strategies are apples to oranges.

 

[silesian]

Teague isn't expiring this summer, and hasn't requested a trade publicly. Further, Atlanta doesn't have such a robust wing rotation that they can't experiment more with Teague and Schroeder sharing the court a little more. While the Jazz waited far too long to move Kanter, the Hawks have until at least the start of next season to move Teague. They aren't winning anything this season either way, and should be looking to get the best return possible.

I think you are underestimating how badly Teague wants out and the problems Atlanta takes on by keeping him on the roster. Atlanta does not want to have the situation fester. Their bet is already on Schroeder, why lose development time while Teague takes minutes (e.g., Gobert). Every day Teague stays his trade value (currently low) drops further.

 

[jazzfan1132]

Chris Broussard on Jeff Teague: “Hes’s not being shopped but Atlanta is looking to see what interest is is out there.” – via ESPN.com


I know they were just looking around (...) hope it's not over.

 

[NUMBERICA]

For me, history has clearly shown that Kanter never got "screwed" in Utah. And stats showed it at the time, too. He barely earned the minutes he played. You can't be that kind of liability on defense and such a black hole on offense and still command minutes. I think Utah really stuck by him, and earnestly tried to help him develop a more well-rounded game.

Nah... Jazz ****ed up with Kanter. Jefferson should've been traded in the 2012 offseason, or the trade deadline in 2013 at the latest.

Let's rewind for a second there. It was obvious Jefferson wasn't a championship piece, or even really a playoff piece by that time. Even if the argument was simply contract window and age. Furthermore and just as importantly, Favors and Kanter were playing at levels deserving of reward. The Jazz were so logjammed that they couldn't give Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, and Kanter the minutes they deserved. The Jazz also weren't that good, and their only bet was to bring along their young players the right way and see what players they already could still work. Millsap can play with anybody AND is a very good player, Jefferson causes all kinds of lineup issues with his inability to guard in space, provide spacing on offense, or hurt the other team with his passing ability, so it's an easy choice if they want to keep one and preserve the idea of not tanking. Furthermore, Jefferson is a slacker and a defeatist. Even though he was absolutely right about the Jazz not really having a chance after being down 3-0 to the Spurs, that's simply not how a leader talks. Very revealing as to his character.

Kanter shows up in 2012 in great shape, hustles hard, runs the floor, produces, and you can see noticeable improvement in every facet of his game. How was he rewarded? The same 10 minute rotation slot he had the year before. The same sub rotation regardless of his performance or the performance of those ahead of him on the depth chart. Kanter's psyche isn't made from granite, he is not true superstar material, but an INTELLIGENT operation knows that it's in their best interest to put those players in the best position to succeed. The Jazz ultimately ignored that, and they paid for it. Twice, actually, because they passed on Reggie Jackson because they didn't want to deal with it. Just like they didn't want to deal with Kanter. As much as anything you can say about this organization, you can say they don't want to deal with the human beings on their teams, at pretty much any cost. At least since the Deron trade.

FOR THE RECORD, I am obviously not excusing Kanter's behavior, but there was a window where I think he could've blossomed and the Jazz didn't give a ****. All for the sake of feeding Ty Corbin and Drunk Al. Holy ****.

 

[jazzfan1132]

right, i'm interesing if Kanter R.Jackson trade was possible?

 

[fishonjazz]

Nah... Jazz ****ed up with Kanter. Jefferson should've been traded in the 2012 offseason, or the trade deadline in 2013 at the latest.

Let's rewind for a second there. It was obvious Jefferson wasn't a championship piece, or even really a playoff piece by that time. Even if the argument was simply contract window and age. Furthermore and just as importantly, Favors and Kanter were playing at levels deserving of reward. The Jazz were so logjammed that they couldn't give Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, and Kanter the minutes they deserved. The Jazz also weren't that good, and their only bet was to bring along their young players the right way and see what players they already could still work. Millsap can play with anybody AND is a very good player, Jefferson causes all kinds of lineup issues with his inability to guard in space, provide spacing on offense, or hurt the other team with his passing ability, so it's an easy choice if they want to keep one and preserve the idea of not tanking. Furthermore, Jefferson is a slacker and a defeatist. Even though he was absolutely right about the Jazz not really having a chance after being down 3-0 to the Spurs, that's simply not how a leader talks. Very revealing as to his character.

Kanter shows up in 2012 in great shape, hustles hard, runs the floor, produces, and you can see noticeable improvement in every facet of his game. How was he rewarded? The same 10 minute rotation slot he had the year before. The same sub rotation regardless of his performance or the performance of those ahead of him on the depth chart. Kanter's psyche isn't made from granite, he is not true superstar material, but an INTELLIGENT operation knows that it's in their best interest to put those players in the best position to succeed. The Jazz ultimately ignored that, and they paid for it. Twice, actually, because they passed on Reggie Jackson because they didn't want to deal with it. Just like they didn't want to deal with Kanter. As much as anything you can say about this organization, you can say they don't want to deal with the human beings on their teams, at pretty much any cost. At least since the Deron trade.

FOR THE RECORD, I am obviously not excusing Kanter's behavior, but there was a window where I think he could've blossomed and the Jazz didn't give a ****. All for the sake of feeding Ty Corbin and Drunk Al. Holy ****.

Iawtp

 

[NUMBERICA]

right, i'm interesing if Kanter R.Jackson trade was possible?

There are a small handful of people that could convince me that wasn't the trade initially proposed (and they are all people at the very highest levels of their organizations), but that the Jazz passed. It made and makes no sense to involve Detroit. OKC traded Jackson for Kanter, we traded Kanter for some mozzarella sticks, jalapeno poppers, and chicken fingers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Nah... Jazz ****ed up with Kanter. Jefferson should've been traded in the 2012 offseason, or the trade deadline in 2013 at the latest.

Let's rewind for a second there. It was obvious Jefferson wasn't a championship piece, or even really a playoff piece by that time. Even if the argument was simply contract window and age. Furthermore and just as importantly, Favors and Kanter were playing at levels deserving of reward. The Jazz were so logjammed that they couldn't give Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, and Kanter the minutes they deserved. The Jazz also weren't that good, and their only bet was to bring along their young players the right way and see what players they already could still work. Millsap can play with anybody AND is a very good player, Jefferson causes all kinds of lineup issues with his inability to guard in space, provide spacing on offense, or hurt the other team with his passing ability, so it's an easy choice if they want to keep one and preserve the idea of not tanking. Furthermore, Jefferson is a slacker and a defeatist. Even though he was absolutely right about the Jazz not really having a chance after being down 3-0 to the Spurs, that's simply not how a leader talks. Very revealing as to his character.

Kanter shows up in 2012 in great shape, hustles hard, runs the floor, produces, and you can see noticeable improvement in every facet of his game. How was he rewarded? The same 10 minute rotation slot he had the year before. The same sub rotation regardless of his performance or the performance of those ahead of him on the depth chart. Kanter's psyche isn't made from granite, he is not true superstar material, but an INTELLIGENT operation knows that it's in their best interest to put those players in the best position to succeed. The Jazz ultimately ignored that, and they paid for it. Twice, actually, because they passed on Reggie Jackson because they didn't want to deal with it. Just like they didn't want to deal with Kanter. As much as anything you can say about this organization, you can say they don't want to deal with the human beings on their teams, at pretty much any cost. At least since the Deron trade.

FOR THE RECORD, I am obviously not excusing Kanter's behavior, but there was a window where I think he could've blossomed and the Jazz didn't give a ****. All for the sake of feeding Ty Corbin and Drunk Al. Holy ****.

Let us never speak of the Croban era Jazz again. So obvious what needed to be done and we instead kicked the can down the road for the sake of mediocrity.

 

[Willie G.]

Nah... Jazz ****ed up with Kanter. Jefferson should've been traded in the 2012 offseason, or the trade deadline in 2013 at the latest.

Let's rewind for a second there. It was obvious Jefferson wasn't a championship piece, or even really a playoff piece by that time. Even if the argument was simply contract window and age. Furthermore and just as importantly, Favors and Kanter were playing at levels deserving of reward. The Jazz were so logjammed that they couldn't give Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, and Kanter the minutes they deserved. The Jazz also weren't that good, and their only bet was to bring along their young players the right way and see what players they already could still work. Millsap can play with anybody AND is a very good player, Jefferson causes all kinds of lineup issues with his inability to guard in space, provide spacing on offense, or hurt the other team with his passing ability, so it's an easy choice if they want to keep one and preserve the idea of not tanking. Furthermore, Jefferson is a slacker and a defeatist. Even though he was absolutely right about the Jazz not really having a chance after being down 3-0 to the Spurs, that's simply not how a leader talks. Very revealing as to his character.

Kanter shows up in 2012 in great shape, hustles hard, runs the floor, produces, and you can see noticeable improvement in every facet of his game. How was he rewarded? The same 10 minute rotation slot he had the year before. The same sub rotation regardless of his performance or the performance of those ahead of him on the depth chart. Kanter's psyche isn't made from granite, he is not true superstar material, but an INTELLIGENT operation knows that it's in their best interest to put those players in the best position to succeed. The Jazz ultimately ignored that, and they paid for it. Twice, actually, because they passed on Reggie Jackson because they didn't want to deal with it. Just like they didn't want to deal with Kanter. As much as anything you can say about this organization, you can say they don't want to deal with the human beings on their teams, at pretty much any cost. At least since the Deron trade.

FOR THE RECORD, I am obviously not excusing Kanter's behavior, but there was a window where I think he could've blossomed and the Jazz didn't give a ****. All for the sake of feeding Ty Corbin and Drunk Al. Holy ****.

Jefferson was a hail mary pass that stayed in the air way too long...... and somehow didn't even make it near the red zone. It seems that we probably agree that he's the primary character in a story of mismanagement. A complicated story happening in the midst of one of the largest transitions ever, in terms of the power structure of the Jazz organization. I can't even watch Jazz v. Hornets games featuring Jefferson. I was so sick of it.

And I agree that Kanter should have received more minutes in '12-'13.

That said, he wouldn't have helped us win ballgames, and I get the distinct impression that we would have ended up in pretty much the same position: sucking, and not wanting to pay him that next contract. It's also worth noting that our W-L record is very distantly related to the process by which we acquired Rudy Gobert, so, by extension, one can claim that 'Kanter's logjam' was his fate here, going forward and backward. Players with his current contract size should find ways of rising through logjams. Offense-only-blackholes find that emergence much harder. I think it's fair to say that Kanter had his chances, and that he had severely dumb expectations that he deserved more than he was given.

But, yeah, to hell with the Jefferson era and its memory.

Good riddance to Kanter as well. I wish we hadn't totally blown a 3rd pick, but I guess that stuff happens.

 

[Deleted member 848]

For the record my main desire to sign Teague isn't even for the wins-- it's mainly to persuade Hayward to hang around.


We really, really can't afford to lose him like we were losing DWill.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

For the record my main desire to sign Teague isn't even for the wins-- it's mainly to persuade Hayward to hang around.


We really, really can't afford to lose him like we were losing DWill.

I can't see the risk of Hayward bolting anywhere near what was happening with DWill tho ??

 

[Deleted member 848]

I can't see the risk of Hayward bolting anywhere near what was happening with DWill tho ??

Me neither but u never know i guess. Hayward can be a tough read.