Gobert Getting Mad Love on REALGM

[freakazoid]

Kind of like how letting Millsap, who was an actual boss, was let go for nothing? (and his contract was actually super reasonable)

Right, so let's just make a policy of letting assets walk away for nothing, rather than learning from our mistakes. Also, there's a difference between unrestricted and restricted free agents. I still have my doubts as to whether or not Sap really ever considered coming back to a team he didn't want to match his last contract, and had regressed significantly over the last 2 years he was here. The mistake was not trading him.

And for cheaper. It appears we overpayed for Burks, don't want to have a whole roster of overpaid players, even if the salary cap is going up.

Lol at judging any of our contracts right now. Burks extension doesn't even start until next year, but I'm sure he is done developing. He'll probably never be better than he is right now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Right, so let's just make a policy of letting assets walk away for nothing, rather than learning from our mistakes.

See threads about OPJR.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Right, so let's just make a policy of letting assets walk away for nothing, rather than learning from our mistakes. Also, there's a difference between unrestricted and restricted free agents. I still have my doubts as to whether or not Sap really ever considered coming back to a team he didn't want to match his last contract, and had regressed significantly over the last 2 years he was here. The mistake was not trading him.



Lol at judging any of our contracts right now. Burks extension doesn't even start until next year, but I'm sure he is done developing. He'll probably never be better than he is right now.

The kerfuffle over hoping the Portland offer wasn't matched came from his uncle, who was a rookie player agent. He was offended the Jazz made him do his job instead of settling on whatever he had asked for in a contract for Paul. IIRC, the contract was just a little over what KOC had proposed to start negotiations. As for whether he would have returned to Utah, who knows? All we know is that DL stated a few days before the GS trade that they were in conversation with Paul's agent. Also, the media reported the FO was divided on whether to bring him back or not. To me, that sounds like he wasn't ready to just hop on the first bus out of town; there was a good chance he'd return of they could agree on contract terms - at least UNTIL DL won the fight to blowup the team. Also of note is that we heard zero rumors linking Paul, DMC or Foye to any other teams before DL closed the door on their return by pulling off the GS trade.

 

[freakazoid]

The kerfuffle over hoping the Portland offer wasn't matched came from his uncle, who was a rookie player agent. He was offended the Jazz made him do his job instead of settling on whatever he had asked for in a contract for Paul..

The offer is for four years, said Millsap's representative and uncle, DeAngelo Simmons, after it was signed late Friday night.

"It's a deal Paul wanted for himself, security-wise, financially," said Ara Vartanian, Millsap's other representative.

"It's definitely a situation where he's getting what he should. It's a fair deal. The Jazz had a chance to not let this happen, but unfortunately they didn't value Paul as much as other teams."

The multimillion-dollar bonus might frighten a small-market team like the Jazz, but it amounts to loose change in the pocket of billionaire Blazers owner and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen.

If Utah is able to match, however, it raises the question of how Millsap would feel about staying with a team that, according to representation, undervalued him.

"The fact that Portland came out and went after Paul so greatly showed how much they want Paul," Vartanian said.

"If Utah matches, there's nothing we can do," he added. "Paul will play hard and do what he has to do. But if we had that offer from the Jazz, it never would have come to this."

Unless he had two uncles, the strong statements made came from his other agent, but it doesn't really matter. If Sap didn't feel disrespected and wanted Utah to match, I somehow doubt his agent would be telling the press the opposite. If there is some kind of proof that it was just his Uncle and not Sap who didn't want us to match, I've never seen it.
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This wasn't some negotiation tactic for more money. The contract was signed and the message not to match was pretty clear, IMO,. No Uncle agent is going to piss off his cash cow by telling the press the opposite of what his client wants.
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This whole discussion is moot, anyway. Sap isn't leaving the #1 seed to come to Utah. I'm guessing the dreamers believe he'd come back to come off the bench. He's not starting over Favors or Rudy. They've both earned their ****ing spots.

 

[cowhide]

I never read anywhere that we offered Millsap an extension. I think AJ and Millsap so the writing on the wall, the Jazz were going full rebuild mode. My biggest complaint about the Jazz is how they have mismanaged contract negotiations. The Jazz have left Matthews, Millsap, AJ go without any compensation. They allowed Millsap to sign the poison pill offer sheet with Trailblazers.

Then they went out and told the world they would match any offer for Hayward when there were signs that Hayward and the Jazz original offer wasn't that far apart. Instead they can't get the deal done and then have to over pay for him (yea I know some people don't think we overpaid). For the most part Hayward has earned his contract so far but I still think they could have handled it better. I also think they overpaid for Burks too. I love ALec's potential but his inconsistency didn't warrant s

 

[framer]

I never read anywhere that we offered Millsap an extension. I think AJ and Millsap so the writing on the wall, the Jazz were going full rebuild mode. My biggest complaint about the Jazz is how they have mismanaged contract negotiations. The Jazz have left Matthews, Millsap, AJ go without any compensation. They allowed Millsap to sign the poison pill offer sheet with Trailblazers.

Then they went out and told the world they would match any offer for Hayward when there were signs that Hayward and the Jazz original offer wasn't that far apart. Instead they can't get the deal done and then have to over pay for him (yea I know some people don't think we overpaid). For the most part Hayward has earned his contract so far but I still think they could have handled it better. I also think they overpaid for Burks too. I love ALec's potential but his inconsistency didn't warrant s

I don't see how you can criticize BOTH the Hayward and Burks deals because they are opposite sides of the coin. Either you support the way they did Burks or you support the way they did Hayward in principle. Obviously you don't get to use the crystal ball of hindsight and know exactly the future worth of each player. I suspect that the Jazz had in mind what THEY valued each player at and offered the players close to that amount. Sometimes the player took it, sometimes they didn't. When they don't they get to test free agency. Sometimes that works out for the player (Hayward) sometimes it doesn't (Millsap last season.)

 

[fishonjazz]

Right, so let's just make a policy of letting assets walk away for nothing, rather than learning from our mistakes. Also, there's a difference between unrestricted and restricted free agents. I still have my doubts as to whether or not Sap really ever considered coming back to a team he didn't want to match his last contract, and had regressed significantly over the last 2 years he was here. The mistake was not trading him.



Lol at judging any of our contracts right now. Burks extension doesn't even start until next year, but I'm sure he is done developing. He'll probably never be better than he is right now.

Freak killing it.

 

[b_line]

I never read anywhere that we offered Millsap an extension. I think AJ and Millsap so the writing on the wall, the Jazz were going full rebuild mode. My biggest complaint about the Jazz is how they have mismanaged contract negotiations. The Jazz have left Matthews, Millsap, AJ go without any compensation. They allowed Millsap to sign the poison pill offer sheet with Trailblazers.

Then they went out and told the world they would match any offer for Hayward when there were signs that Hayward and the Jazz original offer wasn't that far apart. Instead they can't get the deal done and then have to over pay for him (yea I know some people don't think we overpaid). For the most part Hayward has earned his contract so far but I still think they could have handled it better. I also think they overpaid for Burks too. I love ALec's potential but his inconsistency didn't warrant s

The Jazz offered Millsap the most money they could (most allowable due to his old contract with respect to raises in the CBA) in an extension, it was a 4 year, $32 million offer. He refused it because he wanted more money. He got slightly more per year with ATL. The Jazz knew he would refuse the offer, but they had to offer it because it would have been a great deal.

 

[b_line]

Unless he had two uncles, the strong statements made came from his other agent, but it doesn't really matter. If Sap didn't feel disrespected and wanted Utah to match, I somehow doubt his agent would be telling the press the opposite. If there is some kind of proof that it was just his Uncle and not Sap who didn't want us to match, I've never seen it.
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This wasn't some negotiation tactic for more money. The contract was signed and the message not to match was pretty clear, IMO,. No Uncle agent is going to piss off his cash cow by telling the press the opposite of what his client wants.
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This whole discussion is moot, anyway. Sap isn't leaving the #1 seed to come to Utah. I'm guessing the dreamers believe he'd come back to come off the bench. He's not starting over Favors or Rudy. They've both earned their ****ing spots.

I am one of the dreamers that hope we get Sap, but I also realize it is probably a pipe dream, and our money would be better spent elsewhere. But just think of how devastating a 3 big rotation of Rudy, Favors and Sap would be. Assuming Favors and Rudy can play together, we would basically have one of the best frontcourts for all 96 minutes of the game. And at the end of games, they could play together with a lineup of Exum, Hayward, Sap, Favors and Rudy.

 

[fishonjazz]

And at the end of games, they could play together with a lineup of Exum, Hayward, Sap, Favors and Rudy.

:^O

 

[freakazoid]

I am one of the dreamers that hope we get Sap, but I also realize it is probably a pipe dream, and our money would be better spent elsewhere. But just think of how devastating a 3 big rotation of Rudy, Favors and Sap would be. Assuming Favors and Rudy can play together, we would basically have one of the best frontcourts for all 96 minutes of the game. And at the end of games, they could play together with a lineup of Exum, Hayward, Sap, Favors and Rudy.

Nothing wrong with dreaming, and I love me some Sap, but at the end of the day we're dreaming of a starter on a contender leaving to come back to a lottery team to come off the bench. Yep, pipe dream. Maybe in a few years when Utah is contending, but not happening this offseason. Towns/Okafor/Mudiay is more realistic IMO. Bulls got Rose by winning the lottery from the 8th(?) spot with a 1.7% chance, so you never know. I like to dream, too.

 

[framer]

Nothing wrong with dreaming, and I love me some Sap, but at the end of the day we're dreaming of a starter on a contender leaving to come back to a lottery team to come off the bench. Yep, pipe dream. Maybe in a few years when Utah is contending, but not happening this offseason. Towns/Okafor/Mudiay is more realistic IMO. Bulls got Rose by winning the lottery from the 8th(?) spot with a 1.7% chance, so you never know. I like to dream, too.

Yeah that Atlanta gig is so awesome that there are two possible buyers wanting to relocate that team to Seattle. Even when they play well, that city is a mess for basketball. It is long past time that they moved the NBA out of there. I wouldn't be surprised to see Millsap cash out. We just won't have the money to pay him unless we figure the Kanter thing out.