Pretty good argument. Dudes.
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Gobert: Historically Good???
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Too many tables, pics, and vids. No paste, jus red.
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Stifle Tower
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I don't need all those damn advanced metrics. The eye test says it all: he shuts down opponents at the rim and intimidates guards on switches. Just engrave his name on the DPOY trophy for the next 10 years.
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Funny. I swear I didn't have an erection a minute ago.
addictionary
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Intense hustle and hard defense is the best thing for a roster like Jazz to build on right now. Gobert is a remarkable defender, and an explosive blocker that immediately gets the other coach's attention. What he has done up until now is he took what he already has to the highest level he can. What lies up ahead for him is more challenging. He needs to develop a faster and more effective footwork and hopefully a close shot facing the rim which would give him a lot of advantage since his reach passes almost everyone in the league. He also owes the level of improvement he gave the Jazz a little bit to Enes Kanter for while what Rudy has brought was +100 what Enes had taken away on D was a -100 (numbers symbolic) so instead of a +100 guy, he became a +200 guy in regards of difference making.
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Jamezz
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A month too long...
Gobert is already insanely good, the only thing is that the sample size is so small. But even without developping any further and just playing like he did after the AS break (11 / 13.5 / 2.6 playing 34.4 minutes a game and those 40.4 opposing paint FG%) he is already a defensive juggernaut by this league's standard and a perennial DPOY candidate (and several times winner).
What is crazy is that right now the key isn't how much he improves, this would be bonus, the key is that he stays that good for a long time. Just the numbers he put up in those 30 games have only been put up in 13 seasons total since 1973 : Kareem did it 3 times, O'Neal and Olajuwon 2 times and Mutombo adn Howard only once ia.
Just playing like those 30 games is already historically good. If those could be his career average for the next say 6 years for example where we account for some form of earlyish decline due to his massive size leading to injuries and wear, he would already classify as one of the most dominant defensive centers of all time in his prime. If he could have similar stats for 10ish years, he would probably start being in the conversation for best defensive center ever.
I mean Gobert has been historically good already.
But just for 30 games.
If he can do what he did for 400, 500, 600 or more games, than yes he is a monster.
What is crazy is that right now the key isn't how much he improves, this would be bonus, the key is that he stays that good for a long time. Just the numbers he put up in those 30 games have only been put up in 13 seasons total since 1973 : Kareem did it 3 times, O'Neal and Olajuwon 2 times and Mutombo adn Howard only once ia.
Just playing like those 30 games is already historically good. If those could be his career average for the next say 6 years for example where we account for some form of earlyish decline due to his massive size leading to injuries and wear, he would already classify as one of the most dominant defensive centers of all time in his prime. If he could have similar stats for 10ish years, he would probably start being in the conversation for best defensive center ever.
I mean Gobert has been historically good already.
But just for 30 games.
If he can do what he did for 400, 500, 600 or more games, than yes he is a monster.
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Jazz4ever
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As good as Gobert was, we can't give him all the credit from moving from 27th to 1st. There were quite a few at play in the second half.
1. Exum's move into the starting rotation and increased minutes.
2. E. Millsap getting minutes (2nd highest defensive RPM SG in the league last year)
3. Losing Kanter (addition by subtraction), possibly the worst defensive big in the league
4. Favors sliding to his more natural position, PF
1. Exum's move into the starting rotation and increased minutes.
2. E. Millsap getting minutes (2nd highest defensive RPM SG in the league last year)
3. Losing Kanter (addition by subtraction), possibly the worst defensive big in the league
4. Favors sliding to his more natural position, PF
Some dates announced.
https://www.nba.com/news/important-dates/
So I'm assuming media day on the 28th and camp starts on the 29th.
I would be very ****ing careful with this kind of tongue-in-cheek type comment. Yeah, chances are dude will probably be pretty ****ing successful but if I know Jazz fans, if Gobert shows even a glimpse of regression, they will turn on him like folks turned on Hayward.
Stifle Tower
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Obviously it was hyperbole. I don't expect him to win DPOY for 10 years in a row. This is Utah; he may not even win it ever. But I do think, unlike Favors and even Hayward, he's getting a lot of attention and will be the most recognizable Jazz player around the league. He makes highlight plays - and that garners attention, as does his catchy nickname. In one year, ask fans of the other 29 teams to name a player from the Jazz and I would bet 70% of them say Gobert or "The Stifle Tower" before Hayward or anyone else.