Gobert should start

[str8line]

Favs is 4th in the league in PER amongst PFs... two guys in front of him are role players who's PER would dip if they were to get extended minutes. He is ahead of Aldridge, Griffin, Dirk, etc. He has been ballin. He's also a two way player.

From now on if anyone on Jazzfanz calls Hayward or Favors a role player or average I will consider you a basketball tard... I'd encourage others to follow suit.

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf

I have been down on Favors and questioned his lack of heart right here on this board on several occasions. But as good as he is now, it's scary to think how much better he could become. As reserved as his personality is, it's amazing how good he is.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I have been down on Favors and questioned his lack of heart right here on this board on several occasions. But as good as he is now, it's scary to think how much better he could become. As reserved as his personality is, it's amazing how good he is.

Consistency is his final step to me, but to me he is basically Al Horford. With Favs, Hayward, Gobert, and hopefully Exum we've got a great core. Burks, Hood, and whoever we draft this year fit in there somewhere. Kanter??? I'm not sure where that guy fits in this equation, but he's an asset. I think next year we will look to be more competitive and will add some decent bench depth. We are on the right track here... just another year or two of patience and I think we are in the playoffs again.

 

[b_line]

Guys, like a few people have said, Favors is really really good at basketball. Also, he is still very young. He is freaking 23 years old. He still probably has 3-4 years before he hits his peak. Think about that. We have two players who would get all star consideration right now if we were a winning team in Hayward and Favors, and they are not even close to their respective peaks.

If we want to trade Favors, we sure as hell better be getting something awesome in return. If we win the lottery and draft another big, then we can have an awesome three big rotation for the next 4-7 years with Rudy, Favors and whoever we draft. Maybe we draft a stretch big like Porzingis or Towns though, and that would be a dream. I am salivating just imagining having Rudy and Favors playing with Karl Towns. We would easily be one of the best defensive frontcourts in the league, and would have some decent offense with Towns hopefully shooting a little further out, opening up space for Rudy or Favors. Hell, even Favors is improving on his jump shot, and has talked about being able to shoot threes in the future.

 

[Hantlers]

So is rudy and enes imo.

I figure there are 14-15 players on a roster. Therefore the average would be the 7th best player on any given team.

I think rudy, derrick, and enes are all better than the 7th best player on most teams

Average big, not average player. I don't consider Kanter to be above average. Not sure Rudy is there yet either.

 

[One Brow]

I remember people mocking me in the comments when I first started the "gobert's rise to be the greatest Jazz center of all time" thread last year. Not many doubters now.

Well, I'm not convinced he'll pass Eaton, but it's reasonably possible. Does that make me a doubter?

 

[One Brow]

Why do people not understand this?

Colloquially, "above-average" requires to be a little more than just barely above the mean. What's the mean PER differential for starting 4s in the league, and how far above it is Favors?

 

[Hantlers]

Favors is a center, except when playing with Gobert. Which means he's been a center the majority of the year.

 

[Hantlers]

Colloquially, "above-average" requires to be a little more than just barely above the mean. What's the mean PER differential for starting 4s in the league, and how far above it is Favors?

List all of the starting PF's and C's in the league and tell me where Favors ranks among them. He's above average.

 

[fishonjazz]

Average big, not average player. I don't consider Kanter to be above average. Not sure Rudy is there yet either.

Fair enough, but even still, misty teams have 4 or 5 bigs on thier team so average would be about the 2nd or 3rd best big on any given team.

I think there are alot of teams that enes and gobert would be a top 2 or 3 big on them

 

[fishonjazz]

Colloquially, "above-average" requires to be a little more than just barely above the mean. What's the mean PER differential for starting 4s in the league, and how far above it is Favors?

List all of the starting PF's and C's in the league and tell me where Favors ranks among them. He's above average.

I took the original post in this matter to say that our bigs are above average vs all other bigs in the league, bench bigs included, not just starters

 

[Hantlers]

List all of the starting PF's and C's in the league and tell me where Favors ranks among them. He's above average.

I'll do this thing for you, I figure you won't do it yourself.

Elite:
Dirk
Kevin Love
Dwight Howard
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol
Anthony Davis
Blake Griffin

Above Average:
DMC
Greg Monroe
Drummond
Al Jefferson
Tyson Chandler
Brook Lopez
Joakim Noah
Zach Randolph
Kenneth Faried
Nene
Marcin Gortat
Roy Hibbert
Derrick Favors
LMA
Paul Millsap
Al Horford
DeAndre Jordon
Nikola Vucevic
Serge Ibaka
Duncan
Bogut




Average and worse:
David Lee
Steven Adams
Splitter
Channing Frye
Jason Thompson
Jordan Hill
Jonas Valanciunas
Amir Johnson
Miles Plumlee
Markieff Morris
Carlos Boozer
Chris Kaman
David West
Tristan Thompson
Marvin Williams
Khris Middleton
LARRY SANDERS!
Jared Sullinger
Kelly Olynyk
Nerlens Noel
Henry Sims
Mason Plumlee
Donatas Montajiuenas/Terrence Jones
Cole Aldrich
Jason Smith
Timofey Mozgov
Thad Young
Gorgui Dieng
Omer Asik
Enes Kanter

Now then…Favors is in the top 10 for double-doubles among post players.
- Top 10 in rebound for PF's (that's where he's listed, so it's just easier to go with that, but he would be top 10 for centers as well).
- Top 10 in scoring (he would be top 5 if he was listed as a center, which is where he plays).
- Top 5 in blocks (would still be in the top 10 as a center).
- averages more assists than turnovers as a post player. That's very good. (he's in the top 20 as a PF for APG)
- he's typically in the 5-8 range on most statistics, yet is only #10 in minutes.

So tell me again how he's average? Thanks.

I'd also like to point out my boy Jusuf Nurkic has been putting up 11/7/3 in 19 mpg for his last 5 games. Stud.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'll do this thing for you, I figure you won't do it yourself.

Elite:
Dirk
Kevin Love
Dwight Howard
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol
Anthony Davis
Blake Griffin

Above Average:
DMC
Greg Monroe
Drummond
Al Jefferson
Tyson Chandler
Brook Lopez
Joakim Noah
Zach Randolph
Kenneth Faried
Nene
Marcin Gortat
Roy Hibbert
Derrick Favors
LMA
Paul Millsap
Al Horford
DeAndre Jordon
Nikola Vucevic
Serge Ibaka
Duncan
Bogut




Average and worse:
David Lee
Steven Adams
Splitter
Channing Frye
Jason Thompson
Jordan Hill
Jonas Valanciunas
Amir Johnson
Miles Plumlee
Markieff Morris
Carlos Boozer
Chris Kaman
David West
Tristan Thompson
Marvin Williams
Khris Middleton
LARRY SANDERS!
Jared Sullinger
Kelly Olynyk
Nerlens Noel
Henry Sims
Mason Plumlee
Donatas Montajiuenas/Terrence Jones
Cole Aldrich
Jason Smith
Timofey Mozgov
Thad Young
Gorgui Dieng
Omer Asik
Enes Kanter

Now then…Favors is in the top 10 for double-doubles among post players.
- Top 10 in rebound for PF's (that's where he's listed, so it's just easier to go with that, but he would be top 10 for centers as well).
- Top 10 in scoring (he would be top 5 if he was listed as a center, which is where he plays).
- Top 5 in blocks (would still be in the top 10 as a center).
- averages more assists than turnovers as a post player. That's very good. (he's in the top 20 as a PF for APG)
- he's typically in the 5-8 range on most statistics, yet is only #10 in minutes.

So tell me again how he's average? Thanks.

I'd also like to point out my boy Jusuf Nurkic has been putting up 11/7/3 in 19 mpg for his last 5 games. Stud.

Nice work
Looking at that list I would rank kanter Gobert above alot of the guys in the 3rd group.

We really are a team blessed with good, very very young bigs (all with good size and some differing skillsets)