God Deniers

[PearlWatson]

Why do you expect me to answer your question if you did not answer mine?
I will ask you one more question. In last few hundreds of years there were thousands of life forms which got extinct and thousands of new species discovered. Do you think it is by accident or it is god's work? Think about it in millions of years perspective.

I asked first, and I have a sneaking suspicion you are trying to shift the focus away from your own crazy beliefs.

 

[One Brow]

I doesn't matter what qualifier, but it is interesting that you have now inserted a qualifier of your own in front of reasoning.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. The only relevant adjectivew in my reasoning were "equally", "quite", and "well", and I used them as intensifiers.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

He said some atheists don't believe in God because they weren't loved [as children].

I can play that game too. SOME theists belief in God because they like diddling children. I'm sure I have a good reason to think this.

(Plus given the context, it was clear that he meant this as a broader generalization and not the limited context you want to give him credit for).

Some people believe all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. Dumb statements like this do nothing to advance the discussion.

 

[PearlWatson]

However, the only randomness invovled is the inability of the shuffler to control where the cards are.

So you recognize the need for a shuffler.

 

[PearlWatson]

If you really care to find out about their religions beliefs, the evidence is available.

All evidence suggests they believe in a creator God involved in the founding of this country . That is all that matters.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I, for example, just love it when they claim that atheism is science.

Atheists claim that more and more about the natural world is discovered the more and more god's like Thor and Apollo get disproved. They give examples like lightening and evolution. Did you notice that since 1859 there has only been discoveries showing the other way. Isaac Newton said "Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." We have found so much more, Read the book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe to found out a little bit of just how much the universe is fine tuned. (Even Stephen Hawking and Steven Weinberg say the universe is "extremely fine tuned"). Also read "A formal test of the theory of universal common ancestry" by Douglas L. Theobald. It provides strong stastical data to support what is assumed already in science. The monophyly in life. All life occured only once on earth. So we have this super rare planet, and this super rare event happened... and only once.

Also atheists have forever denied the second premise of the KCM. After the proposal of the Big Bang (which was done by a priest btw) atheists nowadays have no choice but to deny the first premise. That something cannot come out of nothing. By denying this you are basically denying that we live in a lawful universe.

It's ok to be an atheist, just understand that it is the most irrational worldview.

Even the great Trey Parker agrees with me

[on religion]

"the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah ... there's this big giant universe and it's expanding, it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all just here just 'cause ... just 'cause'. That, to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever."

Yawn. Meaningless fulmination. For the record, I don't give a piece of poor what Newton thought on this. Appeal to authority is an poor argumentation strategy and fallacy of logic.

I love it how you (and many theists I've met) get so easily offended by the thought that atheists think that they are irrational, delusions, stupid, etc. (such as your earlier post), but then turn around in the same breadth and say things like atheism is "the most irrational world view." So, you can't take offense, but you sure can dish it out. Nice.

By the way, I don't think you understand what the word "irrational" means.

As for me, I don't get offended at all. I see it as akin to people who believe in fairies pointing to me and saying, "giggle, giggle, he doesn't believe in fairies, boy is he stupidly irrational, giggle giggle."

 

[One Brow]

So you recognize the need for a shuffler.

I recognize that decks of cards don't shuffle themselves. Now, does that mean that the universe can't create itself? The evidence seems to indicate that it could have, and did.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Yawn. Meaningless fulmination. For the record, I don't give a piece of poor what Newton thought on this. Appeal to authority is an poor argumentation strategy and fallacy of logic.

I love it how you (and many theists I've met) get so easily offended by the thought that atheists think that they are irrational, delusions, stupid, etc. (such as your earlier post), but then turn around in the same breadth and say things like atheism is "the most irrational world view." So, you can't take offense, but you sure can dish it out. Nice.

By the way, I don't think you understand what the word "irrational" means.

As for me, I don't get offended at all. I see it as akin to people who believe in fairies pointing to me and saying, "giggle, giggle, he doesn't believe in fairies, boy is he stupidly irrational, giggle giggle."

I never find offense to it. When people point out that the sky is green, I simply like to correct them and say it is blue. I never said I find offensive what you guys say. I don't see how atheism doesn't turn into nihilism or hedonism but I think that is irrelevant to the existence of god. I simply like to follow the evidence to wear it leads and anyone with an honest working mind would say that it leads to a god.

 

[One Brow]

All evidence suggests they believe in a creator God involved in the founding of this country . That is all that matters.

Even that is questionable. Still, if you are willing to acknowledge some non-Christian God was involved the founding of this country, I won't try to dissuade you.

 

[PearlWatson]

Even that is questionable. Still, if you are willing to acknowledge some non-Christian God was involved the founding of this country, I won't try to dissuade you.

Like I said I don't know how you determine that, or why it matters.

 

[PearlWatson]

I recognize that decks of cards don't shuffle themselves. Now, does that mean that the universe can't create itself? The evidence seems to indicate that it could have, and did.

Kind of like how you created yourself.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I never find offense to it. When people point out that the sky is green, I simply like to correct them and say it is blue."

That the sky is blue is objectively verifiable. That there is an almighty deity who created this universe is anything but. Don't confuse the two. Or, perhaps you're the first person in history to possess objectively verifiable evidence of God. Well then, let's have it.

I don't see how atheism doesn't turn into nihilism or hedonism

I don't see how people can believe that Obama is a Muslim, but they do. Just because I or you don't see something, doesn't mean it isn't real. You obviously don't know many atheists in real life. I do, and not a one is a nihilist or hedonist. Again, statements like this only demonstrate your ignorance about atheism and atheists.

If you want to understand it, may I suggest "The Science of Good and Evil" and "How We Believe" by Michael Shermer? Very readable books that articulate these issues very well, I think.

I simply like to follow the evidence to wear it leads and anyone with an honest working mind would say that it leads to a god.

Again, if you have objectively verifiable evidence for God, please by all means share it.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

I recognize that decks of cards don't shuffle themselves. Now, does that mean that the universe can't create itself? The evidence seems to indicate that it could have, and did.

This is what I love,

Atheists "The universe and all matter is eternal, no need for a god"

Theists "what evidence do you have for that?"

Atheists "There is none but there is no evidence for god according to me"

After some priest proposes big bang theory

Atheists "Opps... the universe and matter is not eternal, the universe was created... still no need for a god, universe was created by itself!!!!"

Theists "what evidence fo you have for that"

Atheists "none."

In order to selfcreate the Universe Stephen Hawkin had to invent something called "imaginary time" ...

Just because you atheists close your ears with your hands and shout "there is no god, there is no god" does not make it true. You are free to do that however.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Even that is questionable. Still, if you are willing to acknowledge some non-Christian God was involved the founding of this country, I won't try to dissuade you.

Of course, by God he means the Christian God, not the Muslim, Hindu, etc. God.

Why is the existence of the Christian God more reasonable than the Roman Gods? Can you prove the former and disprove the latter?

When it comes down to many theists, they only believe in one less God than us Atheists do. When they reflect and understand why they don't believe in those hundreds, if not thousands, of other Gods, then they've take a first step in understanding why we don't believe in theirs.

 

[PearlWatson]

I can play that game too. SOME theists belief in God because they like diddling children. I'm sure I have a good reason to think this.

(Plus given the context, it was clear that he meant this as a broader generalization and not the limited context you want to give him credit for).

Some people believe all sorts of things for all sorts of reasons. Dumb statements like this do nothing to advance the discussion.

What was funny about gameface's reaction was that he couldn't take his own medicine, and it was the very thing that did "advance" this discussion.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Just because you atheists close your ears with your hands and shout "there is no god, there is no god" does not make it true. You are free to do that however.

Oh goody, two can play this game. Just because you theists close your ears with your hands and shout "there is a god, there is a god" does not make it true. You are free to do that however.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Oh goody, two can play this game. Just because you theists close your ears with your hands and shout "there is a god, there is a god" does not make it true. You are free to do that however.

As it has alluded you I have provided why theism is supported by evidence while atheism hasn't. All you guys have been able to say is "there is no god... because god is not real" No evidence whatsover. We then provide the overwhelming evidence why god is real and say "nope, not good enough." Look you can think the sky is green all you want, just understand you are ignoring the facts.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Of course, by God he means the Christian God, not the Muslim, Hindu, etc. God.

Why is the existence of the Christian God more reasonable than the Roman Gods? Can you prove the former and disprove the latter?

When it comes down to many theists, they only believe in one less God than us Atheists do. When they reflect and understand why they don't believe in those hundreds, if not thousands, of other Gods, then they've take a first step in understanding why we don't believe in theirs.

There is a big big big difference. The roman gods, the hindu gods, etc all live in this universe. Those don't existence beyond reasonable doubt. The god of Abraham is not a god in this universe, it is a god that has created everything in existence.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

As it has alluded you I have provided why theism is supported by evidence while atheism hasn't. All you guys have been able to say is "there is no god... because god is not real" No evidence whatsover. We then provide the overwhelming evidence why god is real and say "nope, not good enough." Look you can think the sky is green all you want, just understand you are ignoring the facts.

You clearly don't understand how this works. YOU are asserting the existence of God, thus YOU bear the burden of proof. Those making affirmative assertions bear the burden of proof, not those skeptical of them.

No, you have not offered any OBJECTIVELY VERIFIABLE evidence of God. You have merely made arguments but offered no evidence that can be objectively and independently verified.

Your approach is akin to me asserting that Bigfoot exists, and then demanding from you and everyone else to prove he doesn't, and absent that proof, declare myself the winner.

Plus surely you must realize that no one can 'prove' that God doesn't exist, just like you cannot prove that Mitt Romney isn't actually an alien transplanted to earth as part of a diabolical plot to take over the planet.

Furthermore, Atheism makes no affirmative assertion. It merely claims the lack of evidence for God. Provide the evidence, then we can talk more.

 

[MVP]

. We then provide the overwhelming evidence why god is real .

Nobody yet provided any evidence. I am not even talking about extraordinary evidence. When are you going to answer my question?