Gordon Hayward Mentioned On Power Rankings

[Stoked]

Jazz hold steady at #25

The wording is: I remain convinced that the game will get much easier for Gordon Hayward when he's surrounded by better help. In the interim: Hayward is one of just five players this season -- along with KD, LeBron, Westbrook and MCW -- averaging 15+ PPG, 5+ RPG and 5+ APG while being smothered

That is elite company. Discuss?

 

[sgjazzfan]

Shooting percentage needs to go up. Thats the only complaint. If he could shoot 45% and 36% or better (which I think he will do next year) he will be fine.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Shooting percentage needs to go up. Thats the only complaint. If he could shoot 45% and 36% or better (which I think he will do next year) he will be fine.

I think it will too. He shot like 44% and 41% from 3 last year. His shots have come from different spots, off the dribble, and smothered by the defense all of the 13-14 season. With a different offensive scheme that could get him some of his proffered looks, the development of A. Burks, Kanter, (and any other offensive player), and whoever we draft, he should return to form.

 

[Jazz4ever]

His assist to turnover rate is best among that list as well...for all those who were getting ready to say he is a turnover machine in traffic.

1. Hayward 1.89
2. James 1.83
3. Westbrick 1.73
4a. Durant 1.63
4b. MCW 1.63

 

[Beantown]

His field goal percentages will go up when the talent around him gets better. All the other players besides MCW have great players playing alongside him.

 

[JimLes]

His field goal percentages will go up when the talent around him gets better. All the other players besides MCW have great players playing alongside him.

This. Perhaps even more so, his FG percentage will go up and he will look better once there's a decent coach and his role on the team actually suits his skill set.

 

[SojoDave]

Hayward will look better if he had a better coach, if he was surrounded by better players, if he had a contract, if he wasn't engaged...that's a lot of IF's.

 

[JimLes]

Hayward will look better if he had a better coach, if he was surrounded by better players, if he had a contract, if he wasn't engaged...that's a lot of IF's.

As opposed to players who look awesome no matter the context? All...3 of those in the NBA right now?

 

[mellow]

The trouble with getting you're head kicked in every night is that it becomes very difficult to determine if the individual stats of players are because of the team sucking or in spite of it.

This board can't agree on Kanter, Hayward,Burke or Favors. I hope DL and KOC and RR can sort through it all sometime between April 16 and June 26.

Go Jazz.

 

[green]

Hayward will look better if he had a better coach, if he was surrounded by better players, if he had a contract, if he wasn't engaged...that's a lot of IF's.

Normally, I'd agree...but, this fall, whether he is in Utah or not, he will have a better coach, will be surrounded by better players, and he will have a better contract.

So, it's a moot point. He will be better this fall, whether he is in Utah or not.

 

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I'm not really sure what to make of Hayward's performance this year. I do know that if we're gonna be a successful team, then his role will be markedly different than it was this year. I think the experience has been good for him, but how he parlays that into (likely) a re-emphasis on off-ball play (particularly spot-up shooting) will be interesting.

Bottom line:
you can't have Gordon running the show when he can't hit the pull-up J or finish drives.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

I hope that G-time which is the lames nickname is a player that we only see twice or four times a year on another team.

 

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I'm not really sure what to make of Hayward's performance this year. I do know that if we're gonna be a successful team, then his role will be markedly different than it was this year. I think the experience has been good for him, but how he parlays that into (likely) a re-emphasis on off-ball play (particularly spot-up shooting) will be interesting.

Bottom line:
you can't have Gordon running the show when he can't hit the pull-up J or finish drives.

^spinning from this onto a different topic:

I think we also have to wonder if Burke is really our guy at PG. For whatever reason, he has not garnered any greater trust in running the offense this year. He looks like a wallflower a lot of the time, and I hate his inability to get to the free throw line. A lot.

 

[green]

^spinning from this onto a different topic:

I think we also have to wonder if Burke is really our guy at PG. For whatever reason, he has not garnered any greater trust in running the offense this year. He looks like a wallflower a lot of the time, and I hate his inability to get to the free throw line. A lot.

I have no clue with Kanter and Burke. Both have a lot of potential, and could do really good things and both have bad habits.

Could a new coach come in and help those two? I hope so. They both have borderline All-Star potential, but both could end up bench guys their whole careers as well.

 

[Qman]

To put Gordon's season in perspective see the following for the last 3 seasons.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html

Win Shares/48
0.116
0.123
0.065

PER
15.5
16.8
16.3

For comparison - Paul George

Win Shares/48
.148
.145
.186

PER
16.5
16.8
20.5


In Hayward's best season he was an above average starter. In the last two he is just barely better than an average starter. Average starters have value but we shouldn't over value him.

 

[mellow]

So Locke is on 1280 talking about Haywards greatness.

The host says that he doesn't like Hayward's body language, Locke responds that "Hayward is frustrated because they are losing, and he is shooting a low percentage because the jazz asked him to shoot fewer long twos and more 3s and a couple of other things that have been bothering him but nobody knows about because Hayward is a good guy."

I took it to mean Jazz related not personal. So what are the other things bothering him? Come on internets start speculating!

 

[Stoked]

I have no clue with Kanter and Burke. Both have a lot of potential, and could do really good things and both have bad habits.

Could a new coach come in and help those two? I hope so. They both have borderline All-Star potential, but both could end up bench guys their whole careers as well.

They are also both really young and have not had the best coaching staff. The need for the right coach is phenominally huge.

I think Kanter and Burke will be fine. Not all of the Core 5 are going to be huge. To me it seems evident that we have an excellent core, a supporting staff. We just need that centerpiece and to arrange the others into their proper roles.

This draft and the choice of coach will make or break this team.

 

[Stifle Tower]

So Locke is on 1280 talking about Haywards greatness.

The host says that he doesn't like Hayward's body language, Locke responds that "Hayward is frustrated because they are losing, and he is shooting a low percentage because the jazz asked him to shoot fewer long twos and more 3s and a couple of other things that have been bothering him but nobody knows about because Hayward is a good guy."

I took it to mean Jazz related not personal. So what are the other things bothering him? Come on internets start speculating!

1. Jazz didn't agree to his contract demands last summer.
2. Ty Corbin.
3. Everyone keeps reminding him Paul George was a lower draft pick.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Hayward will look better if he had a better coach, if he was surrounded by better players, if he had a contract, if he wasn't engaged...that's a lot of IF's.

Hayward is certainly elite when it comes to the quantity and creativity of the excuses for his play.

 

[JimLes]

1. Jazz didn't agree to his contract demands last summer.

Worse yet, you could argue that after not agreeing to a contract, the Jazz shunted him into a vastly different role than he had been erstwhile groomed for and that given the circumstances surrounding the whole team, he would most likely struggle in. All this in a contract year, too. I'd be a little bit pissed.