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Gordon Hayward or Chandler Parsons?

Not a Jazz fan so this isn't a rhetorical question.

Wasn't this Gordon's role last year before Jefferson and Millsap were traded?
Kinda it was yeah, but he didn't have much problems till that year, even that year as well. I think he did fairly well. The role of him was not entirely the way I described though in the years with Devin Harris and Mo Williams as the main PGs. Because I don't like too much point forward responsibility for him which he had to have starting with his sophomore year that we downgraded to DH from DW at the PG position.

I like Hayward's production for the last years too, in the first place. It wasn't that horrific at all like one would think reading the reactions on this board. But the improper use of him and the heavy duties indeed made him less effective, detrimental even sometimes. His FG% dropped significantly. He couldn't show progress on the mental side of the game, couldn't shake off the inconsistency and certainly couldn't improve his self confidence as he failed at the leadership.

Still, it was a necessary experiment in my book. We had to see whether if Hayward could be a first/second option on a young team and lead them, the odds that he could weren't high and it didn't happen. But all this is in hindsight. Now the thing to do is setting the things for him in a more appropriate way.

He is so underrated in this forum but I really like him as an all around versatile very valuable wing in this league. Plus this season he'll still be only 24 years old! With tons of experience as well.
 
Oh Parsons, easily. Is there really any question?

But I doubt Houston lets Parsons go. They'll match unless the deal he signs is just outrageous.
 
Also, I just want it to be known that I'd love to see the Rockets go from a team that is rising up in the standings to a lotto team again.

Oh no no no no no no no no NNNNNOOOOOO!!!!

They are PERFECT where they are. Walk around about how awesome their team is and how they have all these stars and then BAM! Chewed up and spit out in the first round like the trash they are. LOVE IT!!! Their pain brings me joy and that may make me less of a person but I am OK with that.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving team and fanbase. (Excluding the Lakers)
 
Oh no no no no no no no no NNNNNOOOOOO!!!!

They are PERFECT where they are. Walk around about how awesome their team is and how they have all these stars and then BAM! Chewed up and spit out in the first round like the trash they are. LOVE IT!!! Their pain brings me joy and that may make me less of a person but I am OK with that.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving team and fanbase. (Excluding the Lakers)

Ok, you win.

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I'd take Parsons as well. You can rationalize Gordon in any way you want but my beef with him is mental. He's a wimp. Simple as that.

I won't even bother looking this up but can the numbers savy guys tell me how Houston (it's being rumored) can be trying to position themselves for a 3rd max guy (Love, Melo etc....again, this is the talk) and give Parsons 12/13mil (....rumored..)? They have Howard, Harden, Asik and Lin on big deals (I know Asik and Lin were mostly front loaded, but still), then add in a 17-20m guy and Parsons at 12/13. Huh? How can that math add up from a cap standpoint?
 
i know hayward only shot .413%, but that's because he plays for jazz not rockets. the difference between these 2 aren't much. but i like parsons because he has more upside, couple inches taller, and attacks the rim better.
 
Oh no no no no no no no no NNNNNOOOOOO!!!!

They are PERFECT where they are. Walk around about how awesome their team is and how they have all these stars and then BAM! Chewed up and spit out in the first round like the trash they are. LOVE IT!!! Their pain brings me joy and that may make me less of a person but I am OK with that.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving team and fanbase. (Excluding the Lakers)

because teams tend to pay max salaries to slightly above average players

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?14183-Laker-train-wreck-is-fun-to-watch&p=470837&viewfull=1#post470837
 
i know hayward only shot .413%, but that's because he plays for jazz not rockets. the difference between these 2 aren't much. but i like parsons because he has more upside, couple inches taller, and attacks the rim better.

Not to play the role of Hayward apologist, but it would be interesting to see what would happen to Parson's efficiency would be become the #1 option.

I really like Parsons but I also really like Hayward, particularly when/if he is used in a system that uses him correctly and extenuates his strengths. I am indifferent between the two.
 
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I'd take Parsons as well. You can rationalize Gordon in any way you want but my beef with him is mental. He's a wimp. Simple as that.

I won't even bother looking this up but can the numbers savy guys tell me how Houston (it's being rumored) can be trying to position themselves for a 3rd max guy (Love, Melo etc....again, this is the talk) and give Parsons 12/13mil (....rumored..)? They have Howard, Harden, Asik and Lin on big deals (I know Asik and Lin were mostly front loaded, but still), then add in a 17-20m guy and Parsons at 12/13. Huh? How can that math add up from a cap standpoint?
They'd have to dump Asik, Lin, some minor players on small contracts, and maybe one of Jones or Donatas. Parsons' cap hold is only $1.7mm, so the Rockets could sign or trade for another player who fits under the cap (they could have $20mm-ish in space) and then sign Parsons for up to the max. I'd guess moving Asik, Jones and Donatas would be easier than moving Lin. Kevin Love ($15.7mm) would be a lot easier to fit under the cap than Melo, who will be looking to sign starting at $20mm+.
 
I would (take Parsons), hes a better offensive player, more confident shooter, and most likely cheaper. I keep telling myself im cool with giving a Hayward a big contract, but when i see 30% from 3 on 3.6 attempts, it makes me a bit queasy.

Parsons I think is more suited and battle-tested for the role the Jazz need him to play (SF). IMO hes more natural off the ball than Gordon, and hes better attacking closeouts (not a surprise as his 3 point shot is more dangerous). With Trey and Alec around i dont see the need to pay a premium for Gordons playmaking, Parsons is no slouch passing the ball either.
my thoughts from the thread in General NBA
 
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