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Gordon Hayward Retires

Which employee on Nintendo do you see hundreds of thousands of fans cheering on?
Wait, so instead of "yeah buts" you decided to sneakily change the subject of the conversation? Originally you asked for the names of companies that thousands of fans cheered on and now you are shifting to hundreds of thousands cheering for a specific employee. It is considered to be in poor taste changing the subject of the argument you are losing.

But to make sure: people did not cheer on Hayward specifically, they did so for the company, for the Utah Jazz. Once he left the Jazz his fans without missing a beat switched to cheering for whomever else the Jazz put on the floor. That's why this site is called "jazzfanz".
 
Yeah but those artists often show loyalty to fans by having fan meets and World tours when they might not have to.

Many of them are set for multiple generations.
Loyalty looks an awful lot like marketing.
 
Hayward is the past. Lauri is the future. I’ve honestly barely thought about Gordon Hayward after July 4th, 2017. At this point, his “legacy” is knocking the Clippers out of the playoffs and then joining Brad Stevens in Boston before having his promising career derailed by injuries.

I’ve never wished ill for the guy, but he made his decision and moved on. Jazzfanz should do the same.
 
First of all I'll repeat that I don't really care about Hayward anymore. I don't think what he did was that bad and not worth holding a grudge this many years later. I do have some thoughts on the current discussion that I'll add:

- When people make a decision to leave their job, it's not just an employee/employer relationship. They aren't just affecting the guy who writes their check, but their coworkers, line managers, etc. Considerate/good people should at least think about how their decision will affect others and do what they can to soften the blow.
- It's easy to think of an employer as some heartless machine with CEOs and big wigs who don't care about anything else except for the bottom line. It's harder to think that way when you are close to the owner of the company and they are someone like Gail Miller.
- In the end I agree that people will and should do what is in their best interest, but there are nuances to this that are being ignored. First of all it is in people's best interest to not burn bridges. Secondly mature people can make small concessions to what is best for them to show respect/grace for how the situation will be perceived by others.

All of these points go back to what I meant when I said what Hayward did was the equivalent of someone quitting without notice. I didn't intend to imply that he quit or didn't give notice, but that it was the way he left not that he left that was the problem. When someone quits without notice they are showing a lack of maturity and selfishness that burns bridges and mostly hurts their coworkers and line managers. For most jobs, it actually doesn't help that much to give a two weeks notice, but you are at least showing respect and maturity. Someone might think it is in their best interest to start their new job right away and giving their old job any more of their time would be a waste, but by showing that little amount of decency they can both have their long term best interest and not burn bridges/have time to soften the blow for those affected.

By Hayward taking so long to go on his free agency tour, and taking even extra time to write his player's tribune article he made it so the Jazz couldn't try and sign the top free agents that year. By not making his decision earlier we ended up making decisions based on him (signing Rubio for example) that we might not have done if we knew what he was planning on. He could have tried to soften the blow by working out a S&T to give Utah a TPE, or at the very least communicated to those affected more maturely (from what I remember being reported). It was more than fine for him to choose to go to Boston, but he did it in a way that was immature an selfish. It wasn't really that bad and he was young, and maybe that should have been expected, but it was reasonable for people to be off put by the way he chose to leave.
 
By Hayward taking so long to go on his free agency tour, and taking even extra time to write his player's tribune article he made it so the Jazz couldn't try and sign the top free agents that year. By not making his decision earlier we ended up making decisions based on him (signing Rubio for example) that we might not have done if we knew what he was planning on. He could have tried to soften the blow by working out a S&T to give Utah a TPE, or at the very least communicated to those affected more maturely (from what I remember being reported). It was more than fine for him to choose to go to Boston, but he did it in a way that was immature an selfish. It wasn't really that bad and he was young, and maybe that should have been expected, but it was reasonable for people to be off put by the way he chose to leave.
I think you do not understand what does it mean to be a free agent. Free means free: his employer specifically signed a contract making him a free agent. Hayward was not a Utah Jazz employee anymore and he acted as any free agent would. Why would the Jazz expect Hayward to act any different than any other free agent they ever pursued?
 
And he’ll get booed everytime he steps foot inside the arena.
Yeah, the guy that has been nothing but gracious to the team and the fans will get booed. And the mercenary Ainge, who treats the Jazz players like commodities and ready to trade them at the drop of the hat without any warning will be worshipped.

You guys are nothing but heartless corporate bootlickers.
 
Look I don't wish the guy ill-will, BUT GTFOH. You had a chance to have a statue... you left. Took less money. Botched the exit in the most selfish ways. Go on and live your life but you ain't got a "home" with this franchise. Do a podcast but don't try and show up at games and expect bygones to be bygones. If he shows up he will get boo'd to high heaven and deservedly so.

Patiently developing with Gordon and having him leave just as we were all realizing the benefits... nah man you were within your rights to leave but that door shut went you walked out. Go hang out around the Celts or Horncats if you feel the need to talk about the good old days.
 
First of all I'll repeat that I don't really care about Hayward anymore. I don't think what he did was that bad and not worth holding a grudge this many years later. I do have some thoughts on the current discussion that I'll add:

- When people make a decision to leave their job, it's not just an employee/employer relationship. They aren't just affecting the guy who writes their check, but their coworkers, line managers, etc. Considerate/good people should at least think about how their decision will affect others and do what they can to soften the blow.
- It's easy to think of an employer as some heartless machine with CEOs and big wigs who don't care about anything else except for the bottom line. It's harder to think that way when you are close to the owner of the company and they are someone like Gail Miller.
- In the end I agree that people will and should do what is in their best interest, but there are nuances to this that are being ignored. First of all it is in people's best interest to not burn bridges. Secondly mature people can make small concessions to what is best for them to show respect/grace for how the situation will be perceived by others.

All of these points go back to what I meant when I said what Hayward did was the equivalent of someone quitting without notice. I didn't intend to imply that he quit or didn't give notice, but that it was the way he left not that he left that was the problem. When someone quits without notice they are showing a lack of maturity and selfishness that burns bridges and mostly hurts their coworkers and line managers. For most jobs, it actually doesn't help that much to give a two weeks notice, but you are at least showing respect and maturity. Someone might think it is in their best interest to start their new job right away and giving their old job any more of their time would be a waste, but by showing that little amount of decency they can both have their long term best interest and not burn bridges/have time to soften the blow for those affected.

By Hayward taking so long to go on his free agency tour, and taking even extra time to write his player's tribune article he made it so the Jazz couldn't try and sign the top free agents that year. By not making his decision earlier we ended up making decisions based on him (signing Rubio for example) that we might not have done if we knew what he was planning on. He could have tried to soften the blow by working out a S&T to give Utah a TPE, or at the very least communicated to those affected more maturely (from what I remember being reported). It was more than fine for him to choose to go to Boston, but he did it in a way that was immature an selfish. It wasn't really that bad and he was young, and maybe that should have been expected, but it was reasonable for people to be off put by the way he chose to leave.
Its more than just quitting without notice... not sure there is a perfect parallel to our world. And its his right for sure. Just like its our right to boo and not accept him back if he wants to get friendly. He held us hostage while he knew damn well he was bailing and not sure he ever called Gail to attempt to show some remorse for how he executed the deal.

Like imagine breaking up with a fiance... its hard I'm sure. Imagine stringing it out to the wedding day while everyone is making plans and even the day of giving some indication that you may walk down the aisle or aren't sure... then to ghost them while running away with another girl. Yeah... you can live your life and do you but also if the fiance and the family decide you get stank eye when they see you then that is their right.

If Gordo needs to feel relevant or loved then he can find that in Charlotte or Boston... he will not find it from the fanbase here.
 
Look I don't wish the guy ill-will, BUT GTFOH. You had a chance to have a statue... you left. Took less money. Botched the exit in the most selfish ways. Go on and live your life but you ain't got a "home" with this franchise. Do a podcast but don't try and show up at games and expect bygones to be bygones. If he shows up he will get boo'd to high heaven and deservedly so.

Patiently developing with Gordon and having him leave just as we were all realizing the benefits... nah man you were within your rights to leave but that door shut went you walked out. Go hang out around the Celts or Horncats if you feel the need to talk about the good old days.
He's going to be at games at some point. Just accept it.

And I doubt he is the one initiating it. It's what the Jazz want.
 
Since everybody is trying to sneak in some work-related comparison here is mine. Hayward is the guy who started at the company young (his first job) and kept improving every year: a quiet diligent guy, doing whatever manager wanted him to do. He came up for promotion (max contract) and he wanted this promotion but the management did not believe in him, they essentially told "We will certainly find a much better outside candidate". Time passed, no great outside candidates materialized and all of a sudden the managers wanted Hayward ("of course, you are not our first or even the second option but since nobody else applied...") But Hayward by then found another job that really wanted him and believed in him and he was gone. This situation is one of the most common in the workplace.


By the way, out of all leading Jazz players Hayward was the one who carried himself in the most professional way. He did not clashed and ran out into retirement his coach like Deron. He did not publicly cry for more minutes or not getting an All Star selection like AK and Gobert. He did not touch the microphones during COVID like a 10-year old (Gobert again). He did not constantly make passive-aggressive remarks about teammates and the community (Mitchell). I am not even going into all Malone-related stuff. Hayward was a model player on the Jazz and all he got in return was pure hate.
 
He's going to be at games at some point. Just accept it.

And I doubt he is the one initiating it. It's what the Jazz want.
And he will get boo'd so bring him on down. Just cause the Jazz initiate something doesn't mean its a good idea. He's also on a mini-media tour right now so I don't know that he or his people aren't reaching out.

He will not be accepted back even if he is present... he should accept that.
 
And he will get boo'd so bring him on down. Just cause the Jazz initiate something doesn't mean its a good idea. He's also on a mini-media tour right now so I don't know that he or his people aren't reaching out.

He will not be accepted back even if he is present... he should accept that.
They will bring him with Fave/Burks/Gobert as a group. Doubt he gets booed by the majority, just a few bitter people who can't move on.
 
Since everybody is trying to sneak in some work-related comparison here is mine. Hayward is the guy who started at the company young (his first job) and kept improving every year: a quiet diligent guy, doing whatever manager wanted him to do. He came up for promotion (max contract) and he wanted this promotion but the management did not believe in him, they essentially told "We will certainly find a much better outside candidate". Time passed, no great outside candidates materialized and all of a sudden the managers wanted Hayward ("of course, you are not our first or even the second option but since nobody else applied...") But Hayward by then found another job that really wanted him and believed in him and he was gone. This situation is one of the most common in the workplace.


By the way, out of all leading Jazz players Hayward was the one who carried himself in the most professional way. He did not clashed and ran out into retirement his coach like Deron. He did not publicly cry for more minutes or not getting an All Star selection like AK and Gobert. He did not touch the microphones during COVID like a 10-year old (Gobert again). He did not constantly make passive-aggressive remarks about teammates and the community (Mitchell). I am not even going into all Malone-related stuff. Hayward was a model player on the Jazz and all he got in return was pure hate.
Don't try and outdo HH on a terrible analogy that no one needs
 
They will bring him with Fave/Burks/Gobert as a group. Doubt he gets booed by the majority, just a few bitter people who can't move on.

Like in a couple years or sumthin? Whatevs... he gonna get boo'd. Even if it is Ryan's project and he tries to smooth things over some way. I've moved on but part of that is not wanting to see him back being a cornball when he left the way he did.
 
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