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Gordon Hayward Retires

Which employee on Nintendo do you see hundreds of thousands of fans cheering on?
Wait, so instead of "yeah buts" you decided to sneakily change the subject of the conversation? Originally you asked for the names of companies that thousands of fans cheered on and now you are shifting to hundreds of thousands cheering for a specific employee. It is considered to be in poor taste changing the subject of the argument you are losing.

But to make sure: people did not cheer on Hayward specifically, they did so for the company, for the Utah Jazz. Once he left the Jazz his fans without missing a beat switched to cheering for whomever else the Jazz put on the floor. That's why this site is called "jazzfanz".
 
Yeah but those artists often show loyalty to fans by having fan meets and World tours when they might not have to.

Many of them are set for multiple generations.
Loyalty looks an awful lot like marketing.
 
Hayward is the past. Lauri is the future. I’ve honestly barely thought about Gordon Hayward after July 4th, 2017. At this point, his “legacy” is knocking the Clippers out of the playoffs and then joining Brad Stevens in Boston before having his promising career derailed by injuries.

I’ve never wished ill for the guy, but he made his decision and moved on. Jazzfanz should do the same.
 
First of all I'll repeat that I don't really care about Hayward anymore. I don't think what he did was that bad and not worth holding a grudge this many years later. I do have some thoughts on the current discussion that I'll add:

- When people make a decision to leave their job, it's not just an employee/employer relationship. They aren't just affecting the guy who writes their check, but their coworkers, line managers, etc. Considerate/good people should at least think about how their decision will affect others and do what they can to soften the blow.
- It's easy to think of an employer as some heartless machine with CEOs and big wigs who don't care about anything else except for the bottom line. It's harder to think that way when you are close to the owner of the company and they are someone like Gail Miller.
- In the end I agree that people will and should do what is in their best interest, but there are nuances to this that are being ignored. First of all it is in people's best interest to not burn bridges. Secondly mature people can make small concessions to what is best for them to show respect/grace for how the situation will be perceived by others.

All of these points go back to what I meant when I said what Hayward did was the equivalent of someone quitting without notice. I didn't intend to imply that he quit or didn't give notice, but that it was the way he left not that he left that was the problem. When someone quits without notice they are showing a lack of maturity and selfishness that burns bridges and mostly hurts their coworkers and line managers. For most jobs, it actually doesn't help that much to give a two weeks notice, but you are at least showing respect and maturity. Someone might think it is in their best interest to start their new job right away and giving their old job any more of their time would be a waste, but by showing that little amount of decency they can both have their long term best interest and not burn bridges/have time to soften the blow for those affected.

By Hayward taking so long to go on his free agency tour, and taking even extra time to write his player's tribune article he made it so the Jazz couldn't try and sign the top free agents that year. By not making his decision earlier we ended up making decisions based on him (signing Rubio for example) that we might not have done if we knew what he was planning on. He could have tried to soften the blow by working out a S&T to give Utah a TPE, or at the very least communicated to those affected more maturely (from what I remember being reported). It was more than fine for him to choose to go to Boston, but he did it in a way that was immature an selfish. It wasn't really that bad and he was young, and maybe that should have been expected, but it was reasonable for people to be off put by the way he chose to leave.
 
By Hayward taking so long to go on his free agency tour, and taking even extra time to write his player's tribune article he made it so the Jazz couldn't try and sign the top free agents that year. By not making his decision earlier we ended up making decisions based on him (signing Rubio for example) that we might not have done if we knew what he was planning on. He could have tried to soften the blow by working out a S&T to give Utah a TPE, or at the very least communicated to those affected more maturely (from what I remember being reported). It was more than fine for him to choose to go to Boston, but he did it in a way that was immature an selfish. It wasn't really that bad and he was young, and maybe that should have been expected, but it was reasonable for people to be off put by the way he chose to leave.
I think you do not understand what does it mean to be a free agent. Free means free: his employer specifically signed a contract making him a free agent. Hayward was not a Utah Jazz employee anymore and he acted as any free agent would. Why would the Jazz expect Hayward to act any different than any other free agent they ever pursued?
 
And he’ll get booed everytime he steps foot inside the arena.
Yeah, the guy that has been nothing but gracious to the team and the fans will get booed. And the mercenary Ainge, who treats the Jazz players like commodities and ready to trade them at the drop of the hat without any warning will be worshipped.

You guys are nothing but heartless corporate bootlickers.
 
Look I don't wish the guy ill-will, BUT GTFOH. You had a chance to have a statue... you left. Took less money. Botched the exit in the most selfish ways. Go on and live your life but you ain't got a "home" with this franchise. Do a podcast but don't try and show up at games and expect bygones to be bygones. If he shows up he will get boo'd to high heaven and deservedly so.

Patiently developing with Gordon and having him leave just as we were all realizing the benefits... nah man you were within your rights to leave but that door shut went you walked out. Go hang out around the Celts or Horncats if you feel the need to talk about the good old days.
 
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