Gordon Hayward Retires

[jazznik]

What Hayward did was the real working world equivalent of quitting without notice. He really left us in the worst spot possible because on top of everything his timing made it so we were past prime free agency. He also could have pushed to get us a trade exception, but I'll blame DA for that not happening.

In the end it's not the biggest deal in the world to quit a job without notice, but you are going to burn some bridges and cause some resentment to the people who have to pick up after the chaos you leave behind.

Now we are going into the land of outright falsehoods. It was not Hayward but the Jazz that did not want to extend Hayward and give him the pay raise. They consciously let him to become a free agent and test the market. Hayward played out his entire contract and went to Boston only after he was no longer a Jazz player. There was no quitting without notice because he was no longer employed by the Jazz due to their own choice.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Yeah but the rumor is that Hayward did tell them he wanted to go to Boston...

The Jazz could have handled it differently.

Hayward still dragged it out with his free agency tour.

I don't think what Hayward did was that bad, but he also could have handled the situation way better.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Now we are going into the land of outright falsehoods. It was not Hayward but the Jazz that did not want to extend Hayward and give him the pay raise. They consciously let him to become a free agent and test the market. Hayward played out his entire contract and went to Boston only after he was no longer a Jazz player. There was no quitting without notice because he was no longer employed by the Jazz due to their own choice.

Yeah, you missed the point. I didn't say he quit without notice, but what he did was that equivalent as far as how bad it was.

I don't think he should be hated all these years later for what he did, but it's understandable the way he did it would burn some bridges.

 

[jazznik]

What Hayward did was the real working world equivalent of quitting without notice.

By the way, the Jazz themselves set the date when Hayward's contract will expire and knew that date years in advance. There was no need for any notice.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

By the way, the Jazz themselves set the date when Hayward's contract will expire and knew that date years in advance. There was no need for any notice.

Continuing to miss the point, but not sure if you read my last post yet.

 

[jazznik]

Continuing to miss the point, but not sure if you read my last post yet.

Because it is a poor, nonsensical comparison? There is no point to miss, to be honest.

 

[The Midnight]

Jazznik = Gordon’s burner Jazzfan account?

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Because it is a poor, nonsensical comparison? There is no point to miss, to be honest.

Wow, you really don't get it. Would you like me to try and explain, or are you too up in your cloud of superiority on this topic that you aren't willing to be intellectually honest and listen?

 

[JimLes]

So, they are just jobs that are paid more?

Right, nothing more. No difference between my job and a job that ensures that if you're not complete moron, your great-grandchildren won't ever have to work.

 

[str8line]

Haha I had forgotten about that. Hayward looked and sounded crushed. That was funny as hell

...karma.

 

[Flc]

I do not know the details of the situation with Paul George. Lets talk about Hayward. What was the benefit for Hayward in telling the Jazz that he would not sign with them? Keep in mind that Boston could have changed their mind, had better option etc. - there was no contract signed yet between Hayward and the Celtics. Would you tell your employer that you are leaving (and you kinda like your current employer!) before you had the contract with another employer that you liked even more?

You need to check out the prisoner's dilemma, which will teach you that this isn't the right question.

 

[jazznik]

You need to check out the prisoner's dilemma, which will teach you that this isn't the right question.

Why should I read something about abstract dilemmas? It is not a philosophical question but a very common situation with changing jobs and everybody (including myself) went through it without studying any prisoner's dilemmas. We all acted exactly the same way as Hayward in real life.

The only argument against it that I heard was that Hayward's job paid a lot and because of that he should have made the life of his former employer easier even if it was against his own interests. And maybe it makes sense from the perspective of some philosophy but it is pure nonsense in real life.