Gordon Hayward Retires

[The Midnight]

Why should I read something about abstract dilemmas? It is not a philosophical question but a very common situation with changing jobs and everybody (including myself) went through it without studying any prisoner's dilemmas. We all acted exactly the same way as Hayward in real life.

The only argument against it that I heard was that Hayward's job paid a lot and because of that he should have made the life of his former employer easier even if it was against his own interests. And maybe it makes sense from the perspective of some philosophy but it is pure nonsense in real life.

There are such thing as loyalty, decency, and gratitude.

Some have it, some don’t.

Which camp you want to be in?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He started a movie production company that puts out a movie this fall

 

[jazznik]

There are such thing as loyalty, decency, and gratitude.

Some have it, some don’t.

Which camp you want to be in?

Are we talking about medieval loyalty to your lord or the modern-day jobs? Because I never heard anyone saying it about their employer in the real life.

Also, in case of Hayward, are we talking about "loyalty, decency, and gratitude" to the company that refused to give him a pay raise and the contract extension? About the company that deliberately let his contract expire and made him a free agent? Also, is "loyalty, decency, and gratitude" apply to this company? Because I am sure the Jazz did not tell Rudy, Conley and countless other players months in advance "We are going to trade you, get ready!".

If you think that it is OK for a company to trade their players without any notice in the middle of the season but it is not OK for a player AFTER his contract with that company expired finding a job at a new company then you are extremely biased on the side of that company.

 

[The Midnight]

Are we talking about medieval loyalty to your lord or the modern-day jobs? Because I never heard anyone saying it about their employer in the real life.

Also, in case of Hayward, are we talking about "loyalty, decency, and gratitude" to the company that refused to give him a pay raise and the contract extension? About the company that deliberately let his contract expire and made him a free agent? Also, is "loyalty, decency, and gratitude" apply to this company? Because I am sure the Jazz did not tell Rudy, Conley and countless other players months in advance "We are going to trade you, get ready!".

If you think that it is OK for a company to trade their players without any notice in the middle of the season but it is not OK for a player AFTER his contract with that company expired finding a job at a new company then you are extremely biased on the side of that company.

Show me a company where you have thousands of fans cheering for you all around the world.

And talk about you in forums like this 24/7.

Go on, I’ll wait.

 

[LogGrad98]

Show me a company where you have thousands of fans cheering for you all around the world.

And talk about you in forums like this 24/7.

Go on, I’ll wait.

The Los Angeles Lakers

There you go. Are you trying to imply they are not a company? If so I would strongly beg to differ. All sports teams/franchises are businesses, companies, first and foremost.

 

[The Midnight]

The Los Angeles Lakers

There you go. Are you trying to imply they are not a company? If so I would strongly beg to differ. All sports teams/franchises are businesses, companies, first and foremost.

Companies in the sense that he was referring to, i.e, as opposed to sport teams.

 

[LogGrad98]

Companies in the sense that he was referring to, i.e, as opposed to sport teams.

Ok, how about Columbia Records, or Sony Music. Pick any record label. Fits the bill. Or are you going to say "show me a company where people cheer for you, except any industry where people would cheer for you"?

 

[LogGrad98]

Are we talking about medieval loyalty to your lord or the modern-day jobs? Because I never heard anyone saying it about their employer in the real life.

Also, in case of Hayward, are we talking about "loyalty, decency, and gratitude" to the company that refused to give him a pay raise and the contract extension? About the company that deliberately let his contract expire and made him a free agent? Also, is "loyalty, decency, and gratitude" apply to this company? Because I am sure the Jazz did not tell Rudy, Conley and countless other players months in advance "We are going to trade you, get ready!".

If you think that it is OK for a company to trade their players without any notice in the middle of the season but it is not OK for a player AFTER his contract with that company expired finding a job at a new company then you are extremely biased on the side of that company.

All is fair in love or war. Including sports franchises and players doing whatever is best for them in any given situation, the same as all of us try to do every single day of our live, to varying degrees of success. Loyalty is a nice philosophical concept, but doesn't exist in the real world, except maybe in small-scale interaction such as best friends or maybe spouses, but even then the facade can be shattered pretty easily.

 

[The Midnight]

Ok, how about Columbia Records, or Sony Music. Pick any record label. Fits the bill. Or are you going to say "show me a company where people cheer for you, except any industry where people would cheer for you"?

Yeah but those artists often show loyalty to fans by having fan meets and World tours when they might not have to.

Many of them are set for multiple generations.

 

[jazznik]

Show me a company where you have thousands of fans cheering for you all around the world.

And talk about you in forums like this 24/7.

Go on, I’ll wait.

Well, pretty much all companies working in entertainment, Apple, Tesla, Harvey Davidson, Scotch whisky makers, Disney, Nintendo, many gun manufacturers, many MLM companies... the list is pretty long.

 

[jazznik]

Yeah but those artists often show loyalty to fans by having fan meets and World tours when they might not have to.

Many of them are set for multiple generations.

Oh, so you asked for the names, received them and immediately went into "Yeah but". By the way, I am sure that Hayward also met fans, donated and did events that he did not have to.

/waiting for another inevitable "yeah but" from you.

 

[The Midnight]

Well, pretty much all companies working in entertainment, Apple, Tesla, Harvey Davidson, Scotch whisky makers, Disney, Nintendo, many gun manufacturers, many MLM companies... the list is pretty long.

Which employee on Nintendo do you see hundreds of thousands of fans cheering on?