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phippsj said:
Good thread. Remember all those idiotic "whose a leader thread" and a lot of folks kept pointing to Trey Burke... a lot of folks bashed on Hayward because he's too quiet?

From the SL Trib: . And after missing 12 of 13 attempts that night in Minnesota last month, Hood found himself extremely disheartened before Jazz forward Gordon Hayward grabbed his ear.
"We had a long conversation after the game," Hood said.
The advice was simple — keep your head up, keep shooting, we need you — but for Snyder it showed Hayward’s maturity and Hood’s growing relationship with the young Jazz leader. It was also, apparently, quite effective.
"You know, I told myself I wasn’t going to drop my head anymore this season, regardless if I shot the ball well or not," Hood said. "I was going to be aggressive. My team needs that. They believe in me."
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Hayward knows head trauma. Playing Doc now, which is cool.
 
MeloTheJazzKiller said:
Hey, little one, talk to your mommy and daddy about cursing. They will tell you that people who do that are immature, stupid, rude, and losers with no job and no girl. Don't worry, little one, maybe one day you will grow up and use real vocabulary words, not ones you learned from the movie STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON. And, little boy, that movie is no way to lead your life. You will not be a big time rapper just because you curse. What you will be is an immature, stupid, rude loser with no job and no girl.

And, yes, using the fourth pick in the NBA draft to select a 19 year old Latvian is "out of the box thinking." You wouldn't understand that because you get tripped up on the word "thinking."
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Nice try, ****tard.

https://www.usnews.com/news/article...swear-more-are-smarter-have-larger-vocabulary
 
MeloTheJazzKiller said:
And, yes, using the fourth pick in the NBA draft to select a 19 year old Latvian is "out of the box thinking." You wouldn't understand that because you get tripped up on the word "thinking."
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"Thinking outside the box (also thinking out of the box or thinking beyond the box) is a metaphor that means to think differently, unconventionally, or from a new perspective. This phrase often refers to novel or creative thinking."

It wasn't out of the box thinking. Unless you wanna ignore the fact that every site had him going in the lottery, most high in the lottery, and some even mentioning that he could go #1 based on his workouts. ****tard.
 
King Cy said:
Malone didn't play center, it would be weird if he was asked Malone for more than a few possessions.

Hakeem, Ewing, and Robinson are certainly great players and Im not suggesting Gobert would shut them down, but I think he could hold his own against them.
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Moses
 
I love Hayward. But as good as it gets as a #2? Not sure about that. It's pretty ****ing hard to win a championship, It would take an extremely deep team with great depth for Hayward to be the second best player on a championship team.

Durrant/Westbrook have been to one finals (with Harden and Ibaka!) and got creamed.

LeBron could only win 2 out of 4 with prime Wade (and Bosh) for help. And LeBron in a top 5 all time, unreasonable to expect that someone like Lebron would ever be your #1 player. Paul Geroge, Kawhi Leonard, etc. are better examples.

If Curry suddenly came to the Jazz are we a championship contender? Absolutely. But is Hayward the second best player in that scenario? I suppose you could argue anything from 2-4. But I think Gobert and Favors would be more important if you had Curry. So there's that.

Hayward on the Warriors this year, he's the fourth best player. Warriors are stupid good though, so admittedly that's not a fair comparison.

Love Hayward. But we aren't going far if he's the #2 on this team, let alone the #1.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I love Hayward. But as good as it gets as a #2? Not sure about that. It's pretty ****ing hard to win a championship, It would take an extremely deep team with great depth for Hayward to be the second best player on a championship team.

Durrant/Westbrook have been to one finals (with Harden and Ibaka!) and got creamed.

LeBron could only win 2 out of 4 with prime Wade (and Bosh) for help. And LeBron in a top 5 all time, unreasonable to expect that someone like Lebron would ever be your #1 player. Paul Geroge, Kawhi Leonard, etc. are better examples.

If Curry suddenly came to the Jazz are we a championship contender? Absolutely. But is Hayward the second best player in that scenario? I suppose you could argue anything from 2-4. But I think Gobert and Favors would be more important if you had Curry. So there's that.

Hayward on the Warriors this year, he's the fourth best player. Warriors are stupid good though, so admittedly that's not a fair comparison.

Love Hayward. But we aren't going far if he's the #2 on this team, let alone the #1.
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I totally get your point but if Favors is our #3, Hood our #4 and Gobert our #5, then yeah, we'd roll mother****ers.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
I totally get your point but if Favors is our #3, Hood our #4 and Gobert our #5, then yeah, we'd roll mother****ers.
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Favs could very well be a 20/10 guy and Hood 20+. I think you can run Derrick as the primary in P&R's with kick-outs to Hood behind the arc. Comes down to which two others do you have as the 3PT threats. Hayward is shooting more 3's this season, but Utah doesn't have a decent PG. The bench is also very weak (yes, I also need to recognize Exum and Burks affect both). Dante HAS to cme back as a shooter. If not, DL needs to get Teague, Conley or some other PG. Simply cannot have two non-shooters in Gobert and Exum.
 
I think Hayward is a 20/4/4 guy, Hood a 16/3/3 guy, Favors a 18/10 guy, Gobert a 12/12/2 guy and Exum a 10 points a game player next season.

The key in being able to win and win at a very high level with that core is imo our health and the development of Gobert and Exum on the offensive end. If they can become guys who can (and oftentimes do) score a legit 12-16 points on any given night, then I believe we have the scoring balance needed (along with elite defense) to be able to make a deep playoff run. Obviously locking down opponents and hitting big shots in the playoffs is a whole 'nother matter.

But I think that core on the court can be a team that makes a deep playoff run. While on that topic, I also think we need to (vastly?) improve our passing so that we can move the ball around quickly and crisply like the Dubs and Spurs do, thus finding guys for wide-open shots, not just passing for passing's sake. Along with that, the bench would have to develop. Lyles is a keeper. I like Withey too as he continues our defensive presence even when Gobert is out. I suppose Burks and Burke are two good bench guys too. But I would love one more guy, a legit 3 who is a 3 and d guy I'd say to round out our 10. Someone with some attitude too. A Tony Allen type maybe.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
But I would love one more guy, a legit 3 who is a 3 and d guy A Tony Allen type maybe.
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Good overall post but one thing I would nit pick.
There is no three in Tony Allen. Only d
 
There is something definitely wrong with the mentality of our market. All I keep hearing is that we have to sell Gordon on our team. No one is talking about having to sell Favors, Gobert, or Exum on the direction of this team. What happens if he leaves? We had the second best pg in the league leave us without as much talent as we have now and we were fine. Man it is like you guys think that he by himself makes us a playoff team. Sorry, but he couldn't cut it this year by himself. It isn't until Hood stepped up or Favors and Gobert came back can we even see a watchable team. When will this madness stop?
 
Mission Accomplished said:
There is something definitely wrong with the mentality of our market. All I keep hearing is that we have to sell Gordon on our team. No one is talking about having to sell Favors, Gobert, or Exum on the direction of this team. What happens if he leaves? We had the second best pg in the league leave us without as much talent as we have now and we were fine. Man it is like you guys think that he by himself makes us a playoff team. Sorry, but he couldn't cut it this year by himself. It isn't until Hood stepped up or Favors and Gobert came back can we even see a watchable team. When will this madness stop?
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We didn't have the 2nd best PG LEAVE us, He was traded for decent assets (Favs, draft picks and an interim PG). That's why we ended up "fine." And that's the point everyone is making with Hayward. If he's not "sold" on the team, then better to get very good assets in a trade, Not worried about Gobert and then Exum because they will be RESTRICTED. Jazz can match any offer - if it comes to that. And yes, Favs does need to be sold on the team. But he doesn't have an opt-out so he's locked up for one season beyond Hayward.
 
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