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Gordon on moving to Celtics

This thread is like stalking an ex on Tinder. Let it go, brahhhh.
 
UB said:
This thread is like stalking an ex on Tinder. Let it go, brahhhh.
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Ah, let people process it how they will. Because they will anyway.

Personally I'm not ticked off at Hayward anymore. I feel bad about losing a high quality player. That feeling is offset by the fact that Utah was always house, never home to him. Overall I'm excited about next season. It'll feel satisfying if Hayward slumps in Boston, if they don't do well, etc., but I expect he'll be a hard worker there like he was here.
 
MT Steve said:
My statement was that you can't knock a guy for telling the truth, not that if someone tells the truth you can't knock them for anything. Meaning there may be good reasons to be upset with Hayward, but being upset with him because he came out and told the truth isn't one of them.
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Trouble with what he did, is not that he didn't tell the truth, it was that he wasn't forthcoming with it, he hemmed and hawed because he felt guilty and didn't have the courage to just be up front and tell the Jazz he wanted to play for Boston. Maybe his agent cautioned him on that, that it would bring down the offers from other teams, like Miami. If Boston knew he wanted to play for them, would they have low balled him on his contract?
 
JimLes said:
Which AK? It's unfair to say "based on who they ended up being." AK is done, Hayward is 27. AK's best couple of seasons were better than Hayward's best couple of seasons. That might change as Hayward isn't done, but AK before we drafted Williams and unnecessarily victimized him was a better player than Hayward so far.
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Aks best season was at 22. He went down hill from there. Also so of his stats that year are probably boosted due to having a severe lack of talent and someone had to get stats. On good teams he didnt do much.

AKs best season
16.5 ppg on 44% shooting and 33.8% from three, 8.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, 1.9 SPG, 2.8 BPG and 2.8 TOV
Haywards best season:
21.9 ppg on 47% shooting and 39.8% from three, 5.4 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.3 BPG and 1.9 TOV

I would take what Hayward did last season over AKs best season. Not to mention that Hayward was even better in the playoffs this year than he was in the regular season. I dont know what year would be considered AKs best playoff year because he kind of sucked every playoffs. Ak averaged about 8 points on bad shooting, 4 boards a game and a couple assists. Hayward put up 24 ppg, 6 boards and 4 assits per game, that is much much better than AKs best playoffs.

Hayward is already a better player than AK at his peak. Its not really close.
 
Diamond77 said:
Hayward would have signed with the Celtics even if the West wasn't loaded, it is just a good excuse to justify himself.
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I agree. His love of Brad was too strong.
 
AK was fun as hell when he was right, but Gordon was so much more effective. Didn't have gawdy stats but just so efficient and he impacted winning in a way I don't think AK ever did.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Aks best season was at 22. He went down hill from there. Also so of his stats that year are probably boosted due to having a severe lack of talent and someone had to get stats. On good teams he didnt do much.

AKs best season
16.5 ppg on 44% shooting and 33.8% from three, 8.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, 1.9 SPG, 2.8 BPG and 2.8 TOV
Haywards best season:
21.9 ppg on 47% shooting and 39.8% from three, 5.4 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.3 BPG and 1.9 TOV

I would take what Hayward did last season over AKs best season. Not to mention that Hayward was even better in the playoffs this year than he was in the regular season. I dont know what year would be considered AKs best playoff year because he kind of sucked every playoffs. Ak averaged about 8 points on bad shooting, 4 boards a game and a couple assists. Hayward put up 24 ppg, 6 boards and 4 assits per game, that is much much better than AKs best playoffs.

Hayward is already a better player than AK at his peak. Its not really close.
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This is by far the most I've ever agreed with Ron Mexico.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Aks best season was at 22. He went down hill from there. Also so of his stats that year are probably boosted due to having a severe lack of talent and someone had to get stats. On good teams he didnt do much.
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So, wait. You're using the fact that AK had bad teammates that year against him? Again, dude dragged at 42-win team with Greg Ostertag as its second most impactful player to 42 wins. And somehow Gordon Hayward, who needed George Hill and a healthy Gobert to finally lead the Jazz to a winning record, is a better player?

Again, please look at the 03/04 roster, then look at the 15/16 roster. Are you actually going to argue that Kirilenko and Hayward aside, you can compare those? You're actually going to argue that a man who went 40-42 with that roster is a better player than a man who went 42-40 with the other one?
 
It always puzzled me why there was so much hate for AK by Jazz fans, but then there was this disturbing/creepy amount of adulation and hype for Haywood...was it the hair?

Comparing both players thru their first 7 seasons for the Jazz...

Kirilenko:
All-Rookie First team
1 x All-Star
3 x All-NBA Defense
led the league in blocks 2005-06
276-216 team record
53 win shares
+/- 6.2 (avg)
2 triple-double games

Haywood:
1 x All-Star
never led the league in any statistical category
248-268 team record
43 win shares
+/- 2.0 (avg)
0 triple-double games

I'd say Heywood showed more growth and improvement over his tenure, but in totatlity, Kirilenko was the better player over the same period of time. The numbers simply bear this out.
 
listened to it against my better judgement. Zero as far as being revealing or enlightening. Just the same image shining insincere BS, and just can't be taken by his old teammates as anything but a slap in the face. Anyone who doesn't think he knew he wanted to go to Boston a couple of years back is just kidding themselves. So little regard for any cameraderie with his teammates is just plain weird.

Enjoy being the teachers pet in that locker room and media market.
 
Anyone who says Hay was better than AK at his best is either really young and never watched him, or really stupid. AK was about as effective as LeBron for a period of time, unbelievable difference on both ends of the floor. Didn't last long, but it was awesome while it did. Eisley ended Kirilenko as we knew him. Was never even close to the same. But Hayward, while a really good player, did not have the ability to change games like Drei. Hayward will be better for way longer.
 
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