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Gordon VS. Vonleh

Who do you pick out of these two?

  • Aaron Gordon

    Votes: 35 60.3%

  • Noah Vonleh

    Votes: 23 39.7%
  • Total voters
    58
Sexual Favors said:
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I flip flop on Gordon daily.

He'll, I just voted for Vonleh, and am starting to think I made a mistake.
 
The Jazz have a serious shortage of nasty. Bringing in a top guy from this draft without it is a mistake. Gordon seems to bring that, which is why I voted for him. That along with his elite athleticism and work ethic is hard to pass up at the five spot. Bring him in and at 18 years old, believe his shot can be coached up to a pro level.
 
richgates said:
So forgive my ignorance regarding Aaron Gordon as I've only seen some scouting report videos and some highlights. What makes him different than say Derrick Williams? Will someone who has seen both players more than me tell me if they are that different?
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Derrick Williams was a great college player, but he was definitely a 4. He worked his tail off in college and developed a nice around the basket game. Perfect size for the college game. Soft touch around the rim, played with either hand. No way he should have been picked as high as he was though, and I'm a huge fan of his personally. He played the last portion of the season with a broken hand, and excelled. He was an average defender... worked hard at it, but did not have the anticipation.

Aaron is wing player who Arizona moved to the 4 because of lack of size. He is one of those players who has intangibles... he affects the game is ways the score board does not show, has a great motor. Very quick and has a great first step. Has some pretty good crossovers as well. He is much more of a slasher, cutter. The highlight videos show a lot of dunks, but they don't show the reason he got them. He just out sprints his man down the court all game. He's very fast... not just for his size. I kinda wish he would have stayed another year, there is a lot he could have learned. However, he is very smart. Always in the right spot on defense. He seems to see plays before they happen on both ends of the court.

I've seen a lot of players at Arizona in person... Bibby, Jefferson, Arenas, Stoudamire, Walton, etc. I remember the Sean Elliott days as well. In my mind, he's a lot closer to Elliot at that stage. Slashes, scoops, lays it up. Decent touch when shooting in that fashion. I think he has a better mid range shot than most suspect but Arizona's offense did not leverage that (and should not have... look at who we had this year, he was used right). What he does not have is that face to the basket soft touch.

Aaron is smart player that has flaws. He's not perfect by any means. But he also has tremendous upside. In my mind, his upside is a player like Scottie Pippen. That's probably the best comparison I can think of... if you can remember the younger version of Pippen. Gordon's probably a tad more athletic, but hard ot say because Pippen used to be a beast as well.

One knock I had against Aaron is that he worked a little too hard to fit into the team. He was the best player on that team and probably should have tried to be a bit more "Alpha", but the team was winning and the team chemistry was there so hard to fault him. It would have been selfish, and that's not him.

As far as competitiveness, I think Williams and Gordon are about the same. Both just have a drive to win. When the game is on the line, both of them would always come through. Aaron has the faster motor though... guy was relentless.

Aaron is a better offensive rebounder, but struggled on defensive rebounding. Again, not a 4, so I think he would actually be a very good rebounder at the 3 in the NBA. Fortunately the Jazz have good scouts and will determine if hes the right fit for us. I'm not sure that he is or is not at this point, but I would not be dissapointed if we take him.
 
phippsj said:
Derrick Williams was a great college player, but he was definitely a 4. He worked his tail off in college and developed a nice around the basket game. Perfect size for the college game. Soft touch around the rim, played with either hand. No way he should have been picked as high as he was though, and I'm a huge fan of his personally. He played the last portion of the season with a broken hand, and excelled. He was an average defender... worked hard at it, but did not have the anticipation.

Aaron is wing player who Arizona moved to the 4 because of lack of size. He is one of those players who has intangibles... he affects the game is ways the score board does not show, has a great motor. Very quick and has a great first step. Has some pretty good crossovers as well. He is much more of a slasher, cutter. The highlight videos show a lot of dunks, but they don't show the reason he got them. He just out sprints his man down the court all game. He's very fast... not just for his size. I kinda wish he would have stayed another year, there is a lot he could have learned. However, he is very smart. Always in the right spot on defense. He seems to see plays before they happen on both ends of the court.

I've seen a lot of players at Arizona in person... Bibby, Jefferson, Arenas, Stoudamire, Walton, etc. I remember the Sean Elliott days as well. In my mind, he's a lot closer to Elliot at that stage. Slashes, scoops, lays it up. Decent touch when shooting in that fashion. I think he has a better mid range shot than most suspect but Arizona's offense did not leverage that (and should not have... look at who we had this year, he was used right). What he does not have is that face to the basket soft touch.

Aaron is smart player that has flaws. He's not perfect by any means. But he also has tremendous upside. In my mind, his upside is a player like Scottie Pippen. That's probably the best comparison I can think of... if you can remember the younger version of Pippen. Gordon's probably a tad more athletic, but hard ot say because Pippen used to be a beast as well.

One knock I had against Aaron is that he worked a little too hard to fit into the team. He was the best player on that team and probably should have tried to be a bit more "Alpha", but the team was winning and the team chemistry was there so hard to fault him. It would have been selfish, and that's not him.

As far as competitiveness, I think Williams and Gordon are about the same. Both just have a drive to win. When the game is on the line, both of them would always come through. Aaron has the faster motor though... guy was relentless.

Aaron is a better offensive rebounder, but struggled on defensive rebounding. Again, not a 4, so I think he would actually be a very good rebounder at the 3 in the NBA. Fortunately the Jazz have good scouts and will determine if hes the right fit for us. I'm not sure that he is or is not at this point, but I would not be dissapointed if we take him.
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I grew up in central Illinois. Everyone loved Michael Jordan. . . and Jordan was awesome, but my hero was Scottie Pippen. He did so much and was a rock-star defensive player. Aaron Gordon definately reminds me of Scottie when he was younger. I think that is a great comparison. IF Gordon continues to work his *** off and grow as a player, that's his ceiling.

A player who echoes Scottie Pippen would be damn nice to have. . .

Unless Parker or Embiid fall to #5, Aaron Gordon is the guy that I want.
 
I know we have a lot of Ute fans on this site, but I have never read anyone of them talk about Gordon going 3-for-13 from the field and missing six free throws in the regular season game against Utah. Why is that???????????????? Nothing beats watching a player play in person.
 
framer said:
Depending upon how workouts go, I am not convinced that Vonleh will be there at #5. Still think Exum slips and there is a chance Smart gets picked in front of him. Still don't care as I want Gordon. Gordon just has a higher BBIQ than anyone else in the top 10. I have yet to see bad things happen when you combine elite athleticism with a high BBIQ AND a relentless motor. Many in the top 10 have 2 of the three, but Gordon is the only one with all 3.
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I like Gordon, but the skills you that declare he has screams Kenneth farid. I don't want that at number 5.
 
Vermin said:
I like Gordon, but the skills you that declare he has screams Kenneth farid. I don't want that at number 5.
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If he didn't have the ability to get into a stance, the hips, feet, and knees necessary to guard 3's. If he was a 1.5" shorter. If he was quite a bit less athletic. If he was going to be 21 on draft day, instead of 18. If he was a definite and extremely undersized C and PF, as opposed to an SF who could play situational PF. Didn't have the handles. Didn't have the court vision or passing ability. Etc. Then maybe you'd have an inkling of a point.


There are lots of players who have heart, excel at rebounding, and putbacks, but there are very very few who can do all the things A. Gordon can do, and who posess his body type, and are as young as him. Your comparison just isn't an accurate one.

A. Gordon is far superior to the "Manimal". Faried's ceiling is/ was that of a two story house. Gordon's is that of the tower of babel.
 
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