Graphic video released of police killing another black man in cold blood

[dodo]

Again, why are you targeting me with this? I never, not once, said the police shooting inthis case was justified.

The general "right" lined up against the "anti-racist" crowd of this board. Since you quoted and objected "injustice/murder" post (perhaps technically right on the "murder") point I started a discussion with you. But I am not "targeting" anyone...I am just surprised the traditional right of the board are not lining up to support the case of person being shot on the premise of 2nd amendment rights (even though the original poster's agenda is race).

 

[Hotdog]

This is the narrative from the PD. Please, watch the video and tell me, intellectually honestly, does it fit what you saw?

I don't see that either. It doesn't look like there is much time that conversation goes on between the cop and Crawford, if any at all. Just based off the video, it doesn't look like the cops said anything, they just shot. But, if you listen to what Crawford ' s girlfriend says. She states that before he is shot she hears him say "it's not real"(I assume he is talking about the gun). So then it does appear that a conversation went on if only for a few seconds, maybe a little more. The video looks one way, but the cops could have made their demands, and Crawford acted a little stubborn and defiant and didn't do what he was told like a lot people who get annoyed by police. Maybe he didn't understand the severity of the situation and delayed listening to the cops demands, prompting a trigger happy unknowing cop to take action. . I dunno, I'm just pondering the possibilities.

I would like to know some more details about the case that could shed some more light on the situation. Like when, how and where he was shot. It's not completely clear. Also it would help to hear some clear audio of the event so we can know how much warning the cop gave.

 

[Hotdog]

...I am just surprised the traditional right of the board are not lining up to support the case of person being shot on the premise of 2nd amendment rights (even though the original poster's agenda is race).

That's a good point. I would be curious to know what the right think about that as well. (I'm not a Republican even though it may appear that way based on my posts)

The open carry law is a weird one. It's your right to do it, but it's still not really allowed. You can't walk around with a gun and not be stopped by police. There are a grip of YouTube videos where people try it but it doesn't go over well.

You would think that a law is a law and a right is a right, but in this case society doesn't treat it as such. It's like it's outlawed but has never been officially changed.

Personally, I don't care for guns. I don't own one. I don't feel that unsafe and the need to carry one. Seems like carrying one around is more trouble than its worth. But if I see someone carrying one around out in the open it will give me pause. You have to assess what's that persons doing. It's not normal everyday life so it stands out and can make people nervous.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The 911 caller was inflammatory, said Crawford was pointing the gun at kids, said it looked to him like he was loading the gun ... really stupid. He in part was responsible for what happened.

Just listened to the call and it was synced to the audio. You are right. He claimed that Crawford was pointing the gun at kids when two children and their mother happened to walk in the vicinity, but despite what he said the gun was never pointed in that direction. His false statements are definitely partially to blame for this. I also learned that another woman died at the scene that night, apparently of stress.

 

[Gameface]

I think there needs to be a "standard protocol" for typical police interactions. I know to some extent the police have them, but this needs to be something the public is educated about, I'd say as part of driver's education.

What I'm saying is that there needs to be a specific process that takes place during a traffic stop or when police stop a person on the street or any other public place. Basically a set of steps taken by both parties that ensures safety by providing predictable actions. If a person is not following the standard protocol then it is a sign that they are being uncooperative and need to be dealt with more cautiously. But it's a two way street. The police have to follow the standard protocol as well, so if they shot someone who was following the standard protocol then it is clear it was the officer who broke protocol and was in the wrong.

 

[Gameface]

That's a good point. I would be curious to know what the right think about that as well. (I'm not a Republican even though it may appear that way based on my posts)

The open carry law is a weird one. It's your right to do it, but it's still not really allowed. You can't walk around with a gun and not be stopped by police. There are a grip of YouTube videos where people try it but it doesn't go over well.

You would think that a law is a law and a right is a right, but in this case society doesn't treat it as such. It's like it's outlawed but has never been officially changed.

Personally, I don't care for guns. I don't own one. I don't feel that unsafe and the need to carry one. Seems like carrying one around is more trouble than its worth. But if I see someone carrying one around out in the open it will give me pause. You have to assess what's that persons doing. It's not normal everyday life so it stands out and can make people nervous.

To be clear, open carry in no way means that you are allowed to carry your weapon in your hand. That is called brandishing and is typically a crime. To properly open carry you need to have your weapon in a holster, or in the case of a rifle it can be attached to a shoulder strap (but I personally think that is a terrible way to carry a weapon in public).

Many gun rights groups stage open carry confrontations by going into places that typically don't allow weapons on their property, which is their right, so that they can then pressure these establishments to change their weapon policies. But they have also staged such events in establishments that allow concealed and open carry in order to illicit a police response so they can assert their right to carry.

 

[Getting Traded]

I don't see that either. It doesn't look like there is much time that conversation goes on between the cop and Crawford, if any at all. Just based off the video, it doesn't look like the cops said anything, they just shot. But, if you listen to what Crawford ' s girlfriend says. She states that before he is shot she hears him say "it's not real"(I assume he is talking about the gun). So then it does appear that a conversation went on if only for a few seconds, maybe a little more. The video looks one way, but the cops could have made their demands, and Crawford acted a little stubborn and defiant and didn't do what he was told like a lot people who get annoyed by police. Maybe he didn't understand the severity of the situation and delayed listening to the cops demands, prompting a trigger happy unknowing cop to take action. . I dunno, I'm just pondering the possibilities.

I would like to know some more details about the case that could shed some more light on the situation. Like when, how and where he was shot. It's not completely clear. Also it would help to hear some clear audio of the event so we can know how much warning the cop gave.

Hack, where did you get the info about his girlfriend? If you look at the video, it appears he was shot about a second after they said, put it down, but it's very hard to tell if they did say anything before that. If you look on the left screen, you will see that their feet come into the picture about 4 seconds before they call out to him (maybe less, have to go back and look to see exactly how long).

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I think there needs to be a "standard protocol" for typical police interactions. I know to some extent the police have them, but this needs to be something the public is educated about, I'd say as part of driver's education.

What I'm saying is that there needs to be a specific process that takes place during a traffic stop or when police stop a person on the street or any other public place. Basically a set of steps taken by both parties that ensures safety by providing predictable actions. If a person is not following the standard protocol then it is a sign that they are being uncooperative and need to be dealt with more cautiously. But it's a two way street. The police have to follow the standard protocol as well, so if they shot someone who was following the standard protocol then it is clear it was the officer who broke protocol and was in the wrong.

 

[dodo]

Just listened to the call and it was synced to the audio. You are right. He claimed that Crawford was pointing the gun at kids when two children and their mother happened to walk in the vicinity, but despite what he said the gun was never pointed in that direction. His false statements are definitely partially to blame for this. I also learned that another woman died at the scene that night, apparently of stress.

According to what I read, the woman who died from heart attack was the mother of two kids that walked in the vicinity of Crawford seen in the video and reported by the 911 caller.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Maybe blacks should stop committing crimes?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Maybe blacks should stop committing crimes?

Yeah. This carrying bb guns around has got to stop right now or we're going to have to teach someone a lesson they won't forget!

 

[Yell42]

I'd be pretty pumped if you made some overtly racist comments (again) and got banned outright.

Ive never made any racist comments

and the worst racists in america are al sharpton and jesse jackson and other parasites like them

always wanna blame 'the white man', but hey it gets them on TV an thats all they care about