Graphic video released of police killing another black man in cold blood

[LogGrad98]

Yep. That's why I offered the additional information.



I don't think he did. To my eyes, he was trying to run and stumbled.

I watched it again and it definitely looks like he reached for the gun. I guess we will never know because he can't tell us what he was doing, but man was that at bad move, either way. He would have been a million times better off to just lay there at that point.

 

[One Brow]

He would have been a million times better off to just lay there at that point.

I agree. However, I have heard that sometimes, when you have been shot, and particularly when you have been surprised and then shot, you aren't really thinking rationally.

 

[Stoked]

I agree. However, I have heard that sometimes, when you have been shot, and particularly when you have been surprised and then shot, you aren't really thinking rationally.

Different people react differently under the same situation. So take 100 people and shoot them and you will probably get 100 different responses.

Having said that at that point I understand the police decision to fire again. He was already shot and then he went back for what they thought was a gun.

The potential problem, I have not seent he video, is the initial contact that lead to the initial shots fired.

 

[One Brow]

I would agree that, whether or not he was reaching for the gun after being shot, it's reasonable the police officer could have interpreted his actions that way.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

So, when they initially shot at him he was waving a gun around?

Sorry, I haven't watched the video nor read the story (nor will I), but I just want to know the point you are trying to make here.

He was standing at the end of an aisle in the corner of the store talking on his cell phone and mindlessly waving the bb gun around the way you might idly play with any other item if it just happens to be in your hands while your mind is on something else. It was mostly pointed at the ground and at the shelves in front of him. He never pointed it toward anybody, and no one would have really cared... except that it could easily be mistaken for a real gun.

I can imagine why someone who saw him behaving the way he was might jump to the conclusion that he was a shooter. It was prudent and correct of that person to clear the area and call 911 (though I haven't heard what they said on their call). In my view, the major problem occurred when the police stormed into the building and fired shots before pausing to assess the situation (was anyone at risk of injury, etc.) or asking any questions.

 

[Getting Traded]

I watched it again and it definitely looks like he reached for the gun. I guess we will never know because he can't tell us what he was doing, but man was that at bad move, either way. He would have been a million times better off to just lay there at that point.

He was only shot once -- the first shot hit him with two bullets as it was an automatic rifle. At least, this is what I was told by a lady who works for the county in Beavercreek and whose son is a police officer. It did look like he might've been shot a second time when he came back, but this is not what I was told. Plus, you don't hear any shots after that first pop. And yes, it looked like he was reaching back for the gun but for what purpose? It was a b-b gun and unloaded.

 

[Getting Traded]

Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9FtNOV6Qhk

 

[Getting Traded]

Different people react differently under the same situation. So take 100 people and shoot them and you will probably get 100 different responses.

Having said that at that point I understand the police decision to fire again. He was already shot and then he went back for what they thought was a gun.

The potential problem, I have not seent he video, is the initial contact that lead to the initial shots fired.

Yes, he was already shot. But what puzzled me was that he was able to get up. Was it because the damage of the shot or shots hadn't registered? I don't know much about what happens when you get shot, never having been shot. But within a second or two after getting back up, he fell back and went into convulsions (note his body shaking). Did he fall back because he got shot again? Hard to tell. But you don't hear another pop, do you, or does anybody?

 

[dodo]

Man, what an injustice. First, an officer murders him, then the officer is NOT indicted so no repercussions for him. Third, the caller who made 911 call clearly made false statements regarding this guy posing a threat gets off the hook. At the end, all the family gets is "well, **** happens".

 

[Getting Traded]

He was standing at the end of an aisle in the corner of the store talking on his cell phone and mindlessly waving the bb gun around the way you might idly play with any other item if it just happens to be in your hands while your mind is on something else. It was mostly pointed at the ground and at the shelves in front of him. He never pointed it toward anybody, and no one would have really cared... except that it could easily be mistaken for a real gun.

I can imagine why someone who saw him behaving the way he was might jump to the conclusion that he was a shooter. It was prudent and correct of that person to clear the area and call 911 (though I haven't heard what they said on their call). In my view, the major problem occurred when the police stormed into the building and fired shots before pausing to assess the situation (was anyone at risk of injury, etc.) or asking any questions.

The 911 caller was inflammatory, said Crawford was pointing the gun at kids, said it looked to him like he was loading the gun ... really stupid. He in part was responsible for what happened.

 

[Stoked]

Yes, he was already shot. But what puzzled me was that he was able to get up. Was it because the damage of the shot or shots hadn't registered? I don't know much about what happens when you get shot, never having been shot. But within a second or two after getting back up, he fell back and went into convulsions (note his body shaking). Did he fall back because he got shot again? Hard to tell. But you don't hear another pop, do you, or does anybody?

I have not watched the video. I thought it was said in here that he was shot and then reached for the gun/toy and got shot again as a result.

 

[dodo]

I have not watched the video. I thought it was said in here that he was shot and then reached for the gun/toy and got shot again as a result.

That YouTube link Eenie-Meenie posted above is condensed 1:30 version of the events. He is shot as soon as officers burst in.