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jazzETX said:
this is a guy who has played in less than half the teams games and only played meaningful minutes in maybe one-third of those of games (about 8-10 games in total). judging him on such a small sample size is short-sighted and lazy at best. this thread reeks of someone wanting to make a thread strictly to hate on him with 2-3 others in here with the same bull$hit and biased rhetoric.
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I was actually curious about this so I went to do some stat checking. I don't know of a way to do this automatically unfortunately so I just went and did this manually from his game log.

He's shooting 37.2% from the field in games where he gets over 10 minutes on the season, and 34.0% from deep. I'm not invested enough in Allen to go do all of his counting stats or FT% but there seems to be some truth to Allen performing better when he gets more minutes, but 37.2/34 shooting splits from the field/3pt line is still bad for a 4 year pro that you pick hoping to be NBA ready but at least it's not a total disaster like his overall season %s are.
 
Sandman822 said:
I was actually curious about this so I went to do some stat checking. I don't know of a way to do this automatically unfortunately so I just went and did this manually from his game log.

He's shooting 37.2% from the field in games where he gets over 10 minutes on the season, and 34.0% from deep. I'm not invested enough in Allen to go do all of his counting stats or FT% but there seems to be some truth to Allen performing better when he gets more minutes, but 37.2/34 shooting splits from the field/3pt line is still bad for a 4 year pro that you pick hoping to be NBA ready but at least it's not a total disaster like his overall season %s are.
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those shooting splits aren't bad/worrisome to me (regardless of him being a 4-yr college player, he's still a rookie at the end of the day trying to adjust both on and off the floor) since it's still such a small sample over such few games, but it still is a basis for proving my point and more encouraging than anything. those %'s are similar numbers that guys like shamet and huerter were doing early in the season when they were struggling but getting alot more playing time than allen to adjust to the pro game. with more game time, they've both significantly improved, and i would expect that same trajectory for allen given similar playing time/opportunity. again, go look at his preseason and g-league stats (yes, i know it's not fully against nba competition but it's a better sample size) where he was playing 15-30 min a game. those numbers are great (especially on a very high volume of 3's) and more realistic/close to what i would expect for him w/ legit playing time. can't even begin to make even any preliminary judgments on him until he's playing a consistent 15-20 min a game over at least 30-40+ games. donovan looked like crap in the first 20-25% of last season (in about a similar amount of games that allen has played so far, but he got a lot more PT than allen is getting) and got so much better thereafter with PT/learning from mistakes.
 
Has Allen spent much time in the g league? Curious what his numbers are there. He gives me a Morris Almond vibe for some reason.
 
Grayson's form looks like a shooter's form, like Donovan's. When he misses, it is generally an in-and-out- rather than clanging off the front or back of the rim like we get from Ricky or Exum. He gets his shot off in a hurry unlike past busts like Kirk Snyder and Morris Almond (and Jimmer, for that matter.) Allen's shooting will be fine. He will need MUCH better handles to play at his size, and be able to play passable defense. I suspect that Allen can learn all of the "old man tricks" that Jingles uses to equalize the athleticism of the players he is guarding due to his BBIQ. But that ball handling needs definite improvement before he gets meaningful minutes in important stretches of games.
 
framer said:
Grayson's form looks like a shooter's form, like Donovan's. When he misses, it is generally an in-and-out- rather than clanging off the front or back of the rim like we get from Ricky or Exum. He gets his shot off in a hurry unlike past busts like Kirk Snyder and Morris Almond (and Jimmer, for that matter.) Allen's shooting will be fine. He will need MUCH better handles to play at his size, and be able to play passable defense. I suspect that Allen can learn all of the "old man tricks" that Jingles uses to equalize the athleticism of the players he is guarding due to his BBIQ. But that ball handling needs definite improvement before he gets meaningful minutes in important stretches of games.
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He just hasn't looked comfortable out there. Percentages in games you are playing just like 5-7 minutes per game will be bad... so anyone judging Allen really has to use eye test.

Shot looks pure and he's good attacking closeouts and getting past the first level of defense... hasn't figured out what to do at that point and defaults to low percentage runners/floaters.

His defense has gotten better and he's made some cool athletic plays on defense... still lots of work to do there.

The old man tricks and learning to change gears will help. Give him a year in our program to improve. We can't really give him the time he needs to do a ton of development unfortunately.

For those arguing he should be ready-made as an older player... not many guys come in and are good on good teams. Brogdon was good (was on a .500 team in the East) but guys like Joe Harris took a couple years. I'll judge him when he hits like 1000 nba minutes. Tough to break into a rotation of a fairly established playoff team in the west.
 
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