Gun control myths and info

[Gameface]

Guess you missed my post that showed like 41 out of the 43 largest mass shootings involved automatic weapons. Just go to Wikipedia and you will find it.

An automatic weapon means that you hold down the trigger and the firearm fires continuously until there is no more ammunition.

Private citizens can own automatic weapons but they need a class 3 license and can only purchase firearms produced before 1986 (someone correct me if I'm wrong and private citizens can own newer automatic weapons with a class 3 license). Automatic weapons on the private market are ridiculously expensive. A class 3 license background check is pretty intrusive and is well beyond your typical weapon purchase background check.

Semi-automatic weapons, on the other hand, are very common and don't require any special license. A semi-automatic weapon fires one round every time you pull the trigger. The shell casing is ejected from the firearm and a new round is loaded into the chamber via a magazine automatically, but you must release the trigger and pull it again in order to fire another round.

This is a semi-automatic rifle

And so is this

Examples of firearms that are not semi-auto are bolt-action rifles, where you need to manually operate the bolt to eject the empty shell casing by lifting a lever and pulling it back. Then to load a new round push it forward and down to lock the bolt in place. Pump action shotguns work much like a bolt action rifle but they only require a straight back and fourth "pump" motion on mechanism attached to the foregrip. A dual action revolver does not require anything other than a trigger pull between rounds fired, but they are generally limited to 5-7 rounds in the cylinder. A single action revolver requires that the hammer be manually pulled back before firing each round.

 

[Getting Traded]

I don’t think you understand what an automatic weapon is.


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You're right, most of them were semi-automatic weapons. Does that make that much of difference though? Are you saying that most modern guns are semi-automatic, because if so then I did have some misunderstanding of that particular issue. But I see it as minor compared to the main point which is the lack of control and regulation of gun ownership.

 

[Safetydan]

You're right, most of them were semi-automatic weapons. Does that make that much of difference though? Are you saying that most modern guns are semi-automatic, because if so then I did have some misunderstanding of that particular issue. But I see it as minor compared to the main point which is the lack of control and regulation of gun ownership.

True. Automatic vs. Semiautomatic doesn't make a huge difference in the context of " we need to change laws about guns. "
However, words have meanings and using imprecise language is very distracting and is something that others have and will use to derail your argument. Petty battles over semantics happen too often as it is. Please be more mindful in your choice of words.

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[Stoked]

True. Automatic vs. Semiautomatic doesn't make a huge difference in the context of " we need to change laws about guns. "
However, words have meanings and using imprecise language is very distracting and is something that others have and will use to derail your argument. Petty battles over semantics happen too often as it is. Please be more mindful in your choice of words.

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There is no argument. He’s had two posts. One doubles down on a factually incorrect statement and the other is the repeating bumper sticker slogan.

What point?

Most of the rest of us have offered specific suggestions and discussed policy.

His posts were rightfully slapped down.

 

[Safetydan]

There is no argument. He’s had two posts. One doubles down on a factually incorrect statement and the other is the repeating bumper sticker slogan.

What point?

Most of the rest of us have offered specific suggestions and discussed policy.

His posts were rightfully slapped down.

Yeah cool. Im only stating that imprecise language detracts from whatever point he may have had in a general sense. Just trying to be helpful.

 

[Getting Traded]

You're right, most of them were semi-automatic weapons. Does that make that much of difference though? Are you saying that most modern guns are semi-automatic, because if so then I did have some misunderstanding of that particular issue. But I see it as minor compared to the main point which is the lack of control and regulation of gun ownership.

Rightfully slapped down ... lol. My point is it's insanity to use the second amendment to justifying the availability of so many guns in our society and it's the reason so many people are dying as a result. That's it and I can back that up with stats. Semi or auto, that's really not the point. The point is that the NRA, the gun lobby, supports this so they can sell more guns and make more money and they don't care who gets hurt or how many people die.

 

[bigb]

Rightfully slapped down ... lol. My point is it's insanity to use the second amendment to justifying the availability of so many guns in our society and it's the reason so many people are dying as a result. That's it and I can back that up with stats. Semi or auto, that's really not the point. The point is that the NRA, the gun lobby, supports this so they can sell more guns and make more money and they don't care who gets hurt or how many people die.

If you want people to take you serious, start with making sure you know what you’re talking about. Use correct terminology and know what those terms mean. I wouldn’t talk to a cardiologist about my arthritic ankle.


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[Heathme]

Most of those myths are true. What a croc. No I didn't watch the video. The facts speak for themselves when you compare the numbers to nations who have gun control. And show me some examples in which concealed carry actually saved lives instead of caused people to die?

Watch some videos and you may learn something...

 

[Heathme]

 

[Stoked]

Rightfully slapped down ... lol. My point is it's insanity to use the second amendment to justifying the availability of so many guns in our society and it's the reason so many people are dying as a result. That's it and I can back that up with stats. Semi or auto, that's really not the point. The point is that the NRA, the gun lobby, supports this so they can sell more guns and make more money and they don't care who gets hurt or how many people die.

You have provided nothing of substance. Nothing. You started by showing your ignorance on the subject (not an insult, simply you’re ignorant about guns) and then you parroted a talking point.

NRA bad! Guns bad! Gun control now!

That’s not a point. What gun control measures do you want and why? How do you get there? Is it important to know the functionality and terminology of firearms before you attempt to ban or limit them? Why or why not?

If you have a point then actually make it.

 

[Heathme]

 

[Getting Traded]

You have provided nothing of substance. Nothing. You started by showing your ignorance on the subject (not an insult, simply you’re ignorant about guns) and then you parroted a talking point.

NRA bad! Guns bad! Gun control now!

That’s not a point. What gun control measures do you want and why? How do you get there? Is it important to know the functionality and terminology of firearms before you attempt to ban or limit them? Why or why not?

If you have a point then actually make it.

I think I have mentioned that the point is getting guns out of people who shouldn't have them: mentally-ill people with records of violence; criminals with records of violence; people who have public records of threatening others, like some people here on Jazzfanz. Certainly assault weapons should not be owned by civilians. I even think that some in law enforcement should not carry a weapon; some of those individuals would be former soldiers who might be suffering PTSD. A lot of former servicemen go into law enforcement; they should be examined for PTSD and if they are suffering from it, then they should be given office jobs or social service work that does not require the use of a weapon. In the UK many law enforcement officers do not carry weapons and as a result only about 3 persons per year in a population of 60 million suffer death by gun fire from police. In the U.S. it's more than 1,000. In fact, in the UK only about 50 persons suffer death from fire arms per year -- that's because they have strict gun control. Same thing in Australia where they put in place strict gun control after some mass murders in the 1990s -- deaths went way down. Why are you attacking me because I made a minor error on automatic and semi-automatic weapons. Ridiculous. That is not the point in any case. I made my point earlier. The ****n NRA is a lobbyist for gun manufacturers who only care about making money and not how many people get killed and they pay off legislators to prevent laws that will control the sale of gun and put a dent in their profits. That's the ****ing point and there is no other. The second amendment is archaic and should be removed from the Constitution.