What's new
By:

Gun Control

Bronco70 said:
That's because nobody has said they are going to come take guns. But that's not what I said. I said they want to. It's not all anti-gunners (a small minority of them, I'd guess). A handful of politicos who, given the opportunity, would be completely in favor of taking guns away from all law abiding citizens.

I have said before (probably in this sprawling thread) that I think gun confiscation is unlikely, primarily because it would be prohibitively expensive and a logistical nightmare. But, if the day came that the idea somehow gained enough traction to be executed, where would be the logical place to start? Wherever there's a paper trail. And as long as the possibility exists, however remote, it is a legitimate concern.
Click to expand...

Good answer, if a little paranoid.
 
Gameface said:
So I guess my posts have been a little wordy for you...

Go to a gun show and tell me if you can buy a gun without a background check. My guess is that you can't.
Click to expand...

So If I already cant buy a gun without a background check.... why would it be bad to require a background check? According to you its already happening.
 
Gameface said:
Yes.

The problem is, as I see it, pro gun-control folks have demonstrated again and again that they are not interested in listening to people with extensive firearms experience. They don't want to hear any of our "common sense" while they are cramming new laws down our throats and screaming to the masses that we're being unreasonable and can't even accept their "common sense" regulations. They never wanted to hear the reality of why their laws don't make any sense and will not solve any problems.
Click to expand...

Can you tell me of a law that has been "crammed" down our throats recently?
I have only heard discussions of proposals, none of which have actually been passed.
 
moevillini said:
So what WILL make sense? What should I be listening to?
Click to expand...

Well, the first question is what is it you want to accomplish, ultimately? That hasn't really been addressed except in very vague "we must do something about these tragedies." Then the solutions seem completely unrelated to the tragedies.

You stated before that you think there should be an anti-gun propaganda campaign much like the anti-smoking campaign. To me that says you already see guns much like many people see cigarettes. Just a negative part of the world we live in that should be minimized and mitigated to do the least harm. I'm not on board with that. Our goals are different. There is no room for a compromise between your view and mine.

I see the harm done by guns. I acknowledge it. I'm tired of the line "guns don't kill people, people do." Guns are a tool that allows any person regardless of their physical stature to inflict deadly damage on another person or even their self . Guns DO kill people. But that's not all guns do. Guns make the otherwise defenseless able to stand up for themselves. Guns take away the monopoly large men have on power and control. Guns represent the partnership between a free people and their government. Guns make any notion of tyranny against the american people untenable. That's not to say armed citizens can meet the U.S. military in the field and win. It does however make the price of tyranny prohibitively high. I understand that notion is routinely scoffed at, but me and many others aren't scoffing.

So, like I've said, they want effective background checks on all gun transactions? I can handle that. But, all the same, I don't think it will make much difference so I'm not disappointed that it isn't going to happen.

I don't think something needs to happen at all. If that's unreasonable, I'm sorry.
 
fishonjazz said:
Can you tell me of a law that has been "crammed" down our throats recently?
I have only heard discussions of proposals, none of which have actually been passed.
Click to expand...

None, luckily they have been defeated.
 
Gameface said:
None, luckily they have been defeated.
Click to expand...

So basically this whole humongous thread really amounts to: nothing to see here, move along.

Lots of good paranoia though, hell gun makers and sellers probably hyped up all the gun control paranoia just to sell some more guns..... Genius
 
So here it is folks, the solution to our gun problems.

#1 Registration of all firearms

#2 Licensing of all firearms owners, requiring periodic training and renewal.

#3 Tight control of ammo sales, including a requirement to account for ammo on hand and all ammo spent. Limits on the amount of ammo allowed per household.

#4 Requirement to have all guns secured. Penalties and loss of firearms rights if guns fall into the wrong hands and/or stolen guns are not promptly reported.

#5 Insane penalties for any misuse of guns, much like our current penalties for drug possession.

#6 Public opinion campaign to create a common notion that guns are bad. Regulations and red tape so thick it makes most shooting sports so difficult to participate in that they become unpopular and die out.

#7 Making images of guns so offensive (so that showing a gun in any positive light is like saying the N word in public) that they no longer appear in TV shows, movies or video games.

I'm of the opinion that those are what is required to "cure" our current gun problem. Anything short and you aren't going to accomplish much. That's what us pro gun folks all realize and why we are steering clear of any compromise that takes us near the slippery slope that leads to what I've said. I give the leaders of the anti-gun movement credit for knowing the exact same thing, which is why I question their motives and why I'm suspicious over obviously ineffective proposals for gun regulation.
 
fishonjazz said:
So basically this whole humongous thread really amounts to: nothing to see here, move along.

Lots of good paranoia though, hell gun makers and sellers probably hyped up all the gun control paranoia just to sell some more guns..... Genius
Click to expand...

When this thread started I expected some new gun regulations to pass. Luckily that hasn't happened.

Yeah, gun sales are brisk. Blame it on the evil gun industry. I have no doubt they're perfectly happy about all this.
 
fishonjazz said:
Can you tell me of a law that has been "crammed" down our throats recently?
I have only heard discussions of proposals, none of which have actually been passed.
Click to expand...

Gameface said:
None, luckily they have been defeated.
Click to expand...

False.

https://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/20...owners-now-must-register-assault-weapons?lite

Creates a database (list) of all assault weapons and their owners in New York. Bans them from selling those weapons in state unless it is to a licensed dealer. So no private, in state, transactions. It places limits on clip size and extends to some shotguns and handguns as well.

Edit: Colorado and Conneticut are also considering or have already passed other strict gun laws recently.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top