Happy No Collusion Day Everyone

[One Brow]

They attacked Clinton and Obama too. They attack everyone.
Trump gets the most attacks cause he deserves the most attacks.

Also because he demonizes the press like no POTUS before him. If Trump were to back off from that, within a year the press would go back to being the tame lapdogs (if occasionally yippy) they were under Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

 

[fishonjazz]

Also because he demonizes the press like no POTUS before him. If Trump were to back off from that, within a year the press would go back to being the tame lapdogs (if occasionally yippy) they were under Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

Ya that too

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[Getting Traded]

How can you be happy about anything that might exonerate Trump. Everyday with him as POTUS is more depressing.

 

[Stoked]

Also because he demonizes the press like no POTUS before him. If Trump were to back off from that, within a year the press would go back to being the tame lapdogs (if occasionally yippy) they were under Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

On this note I absolutely disagree. Trump does demonize and antagonize. Fully agreed. But the majority of the media will never go to lapdog status for Trump.

 

[One Brow]

On this note I absolutely disagree. Trump does demonize and antagonize. Fully agreed. But the majority of the media will never go to lapdog status for Trump.

Perhaps not. However, as long as the administration holds out notions like "access" and "exclusives" to journalists, they have solid financial incentives to do so.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You'll have to forgive me, but I'm going to choose not to debate or discuss this issue with you. I will say that I would likely have to visit the border area, visit the facilities holding illegal immigrants, and in general get that close to the actual situation to know what you call "the reality", as opposed to relying on news outlets. I'm stuck relying on news outlets. Poor "divorced from reality" me.

But I'll let you subscribe to your "reality", and I guess I'll subscribe to mine. I do know that Trump uses scare tactics to get his base to believe we are dealing with an "invasion" of drug dealing human traffickers, (God knows how many women with the mouths taped, laying in back seats and inside trunks), while liberal outlets emphasise the plight of refugees fleeing violence in their home countries. I'll bet there are more of the latter. I think it's a refugee crisis. Happens all the time in human history. There is a huge one going on in the Middle East at the moment. Climate change is quite likely to trigger others.

Now, I do not have the solution, but I don't blame refugees from fleeing Central America anymore then I blame refugees from fleeing Syria. I believe in helping such people, but it's my fault for feeling that way. I know there are colder ways and crueler ways to respond to things like that, such ways likely suit Trump, and I do not have a solution to the current surge of such refugees at our southern border. You know, my wife tells me "we're no longer a country" if we don't build a wall. I don't know, I just see a refugee crisis, and there will be more in the future. But I don't have the answer. It won't cease until that triangle of Central American nations somehow makes life livable for all the people fleeing.

And in answer to my wife, I remind her that most of these arrivals are substantially Native American. And they were in this hemisphere long before "my kind". And it's all part of the history that "began" in 1492. Still ongoing. A new Brazilian president committed to wiping out uncontacted tribes in the Amazon, and refugees fleeing to the United States. It's sad, frankly, and I do not have a solution.

Well, I guess this does constitute discussing the issue, but, bottom line, this is how I feel, so I assume we have nothing to really discuss in the long run....

We don't need to debate. Just google "children in cages obama" and decide for yourself whether the media has been telling you the truth.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I believe all attacks against Trump are warranted.
Be a decent human. That's all

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You're too good for this, Fish. Just because you don't like a guy is not a justifiable reason to publish untrue claims. You wouldn't be okay with it if someone was posting lies about you. Why should it be okay for the media to publish lies about anyone?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I was still thinking about this when the detour into immigration issues was introduced...

I don't know if this legislation has been voted on yet. In general, Congress has taken the lead, not Trump, where Russian sanctions are concerned. And it has been bipartisan, despite Trump dragging his feet where such sanctions are concerned.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...-but-measured-way-forward-on-russia-sanctions

A look at Russian sanctions in general:

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R45415.pdf

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/trump-administration-ups-russia-sanctions-977650

 

[One Brow]

We don't need to debate. Just google "children in cages obama" and decide for yourself whether the media has been telling you the truth.

The media I read said Obama also did it, but it was exacerbated greatly under Trump. In fact, I read about Obama's treatment of illegal immigrants before Trump was elected. The media you read never told you that?

 

[Zombie]

I think the 'media hates Trump' narrative is way overplayed. Look at the coverage around the Barr letter for example. So many so called mainstream media outlets are credulously reporting that letter as though it's the actual Mueller report, even though none of them have actually seen it.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The media I read said Obama also did it, but it was exacerbated greatly under Trump. In fact, I read about Obama's treatment of illegal immigrants before Trump was elected. The media you read never told you that?

When you barge into a conversation see if you can take a moment to figure out what it's about first.

 

[fishonjazz]

You're too good for this, Fish. Just because you don't like a guy is not a justifiable reason to publish untrue claims. You wouldn't be okay with it if someone was posting lies about you. Why should it be okay for the media to publish lies about anyone?

Just saying.
Get off Twitter. Stop calling anyone who disagrees or criticizes you the enemy.
Very simple basic stuff and the media would chill out. He reaps what he sows.

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