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Hardy Says Keyonte Has a Chance to be a Star

fishonjazz said:
You just provided some stats for Curry but none of them have him shooting under 40% from the field. Find me a player with a great efg% who also shoots under 40% from the field.

I'm saying that keyonte shooting under 40% from the field is a problem.

We will just have to agree to disagree I guess.

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Fred Vanvleet averages 40.4 from the field in his career, with 3 of his years being sub 40 (rookie year 35.1%).

His average efg% is over 50 though.
 
HermanG said:
Fred Vanvleet averages 40.4 from the field in his career, with 3 of his years being sub 40 (rookie year 35.1%).

His average efg% is over 50 though.
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That is cute but i was talking about keyonte george's 39%. Fred vanfleet did shoot 39% from the field twice in his career. And both times he had an inefficient EFG.

It seems to bear out that anytime in nba history that a person shoots 39% from the field like keyonte did last season (even worse in college), that person also has an inefficient EFG% as well.
 
The point is, you cant judge a rookie season that harshly, especially with one thrown in the fire like Keyonte was. Hand-wringing over his poor efficiency season is ridiculous. It's not a concern unless he repeats it. It's different from the defense he showed (or didnt show).
 
FWIW keyonte george was 139th in the nba last season in field goal percentage.
He was 138th in the nba in EFG%. There just might be a teensy tiny bit of correlation between the two.

Clarkson was 137th and 139th lol. We had 2 of the least efficient players in the league last year and both seemed to be adored by the coaching staff (relative to getting minutes anyways. Maybe they were tanking harder than I though all along)

(scoot henderson was 140th in both. Dead last lol.)
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The point is, you cant judge a rookie season that harshly, especially with one thrown in the fire like Keyonte was. Hand-wringing over his poor efficiency season is ridiculous. It's not a concern unless he repeats it. It's different from the defense he showed (or didnt show).
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Agreed. As i said before, he has all the tools. I expect his efficiency go up a lot as he gets more experience. But until it does, its an issue.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's not an issue until it doesnt go up.
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Ya last year we weren't really trying to win so it didn't matter. If we are trying to win and he is that inefficient then it will be an issue. It mattered to baylor for instance. We agree.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya last year we weren't really trying to win so it didn't matter. If we are trying to win and he is that inefficient then it will be an issue. It mattered to baylor for instance. We agree.
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You may agree with me idk, I'm not you. I do not agree with you though. Framing does matter. I dont care about rookie season inefficiency unless it's repeated in the 2nd season without any improvement.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You may agree with me idk, I'm not you. I do not agree with you though. Framing does matter. I dont care about rookie season inefficiency unless it's repeated in the 2nd season without any improvement.
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I do agree with you about last year. Last season his inefficiency didn't matter.
I actually don't think it matters much next year though either since I want to lose as much as possible for a high pick.
His inefficiency won't matter to me until we are trying to win games

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fishonjazz said:
I do agree with you about last year. Last season his inefficiency didn't matter.
I actually don't think it matters much next year though either since I want to lose as much as possible for a high pick.
His inefficiency won't matter to me until we are trying to win games

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Well that's pretty stupid to say. Of course you want Keyonte to improve and be as good as he can. If he repeated his efficiency from his rookie year that would be awful, even if it helped the Jazz lose. I'd rather win 3 more games and be confident Keyonte is a future starter than lose 3 more games and have to worry if Keyonte will ever be a starting level player.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Well that's pretty stupid to say. Of course you want Keyonte to improve and be as good as he can. If he repeated his efficiency from his rookie year that would be awful, even if it helped the Jazz lose. I'd rather win 3 more games and be confident Keyonte is a future starter than lose 3 more games and have to worry if Keyonte will ever be a starting level player.
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Eh, depends on how year 3 goes. If he sucks next season and we get flagg and then he is an all star in season 3 then im cool with that outcome.

Hell, if he sucks next year and is never good for his entire career but we get an MVP caliber player in the draft due to his poor play next season then I'm cool with that outcome too.

Whatever is best for the jazz is what I want (including keyonte balling out next season and becoming a star eventually. That just seems less likely to me than Flagg being a star)
 
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