That's would be an extremely outlier situation....
Hardy Says Keyonte Has a Chance to be a Star
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Agreed. I would also be cool with keyonte playing poorly next season which helps us get a top pick who becomes a star and keyonte never becoming great (I think it's an outlier situation that he becomes a star himself anyway). Or keyonte balling out and becoming a star himself.
Just saying that there is no pressure for him to play great next year for me.
He plays bad and that helps get a better draft pick? Cool. He plays great and looks like he might become a star? Also cool. I just hope he gets a ton of minutes.
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There’s some middle ground between, “this is no concern at all” and “he’s doomed”. Of course his performance rookie year means something. What it means to me is that he’s not one of these obvious Tier 1 prospects that looked certain to be stars. He’s not a Ja, Mitchell, Trae, Lamelo etc. Those guys are just different.
Key is in a group with other guards who received a ton of opportunity and usage early but weren’t necessarily good. There’s a wide spectrum of outcomes there. You have your guys like Garland and Fox who became all stars….you also have guys like Mudiay and Burke and your in betweens like Clarkson/CWhite.
Poor play is always a concern, it doesn’t mean he’s doomed….but it is a valid concern nonetheless. Personally, I think more attention should be given to his defense. His overall numbers/projections are in the dump right now because of that awful defense. On paper he was one of the worst in the entire NBA and the eye test ain’t pretty either. Offensively, he’s really not that bad even though he was inefficient.
Key is in a group with other guards who received a ton of opportunity and usage early but weren’t necessarily good. There’s a wide spectrum of outcomes there. You have your guys like Garland and Fox who became all stars….you also have guys like Mudiay and Burke and your in betweens like Clarkson/CWhite.
Poor play is always a concern, it doesn’t mean he’s doomed….but it is a valid concern nonetheless. Personally, I think more attention should be given to his defense. His overall numbers/projections are in the dump right now because of that awful defense. On paper he was one of the worst in the entire NBA and the eye test ain’t pretty either. Offensively, he’s really not that bad even though he was inefficient.
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You are so funny, like I'm not really sure if you really don't get it or not.
EFG% isn't some black box stat, it's an equation. Part of the equation is the same as fg%, so of course they are highly correlated.
(EFG% = (fgm + 0.53PM) / FGA)
True but guys like Iverson, Rodman, Cousins, etc. had the talent to get away with it, not sure Keyonte does.
Well, I can provide some context: out of 23 rookies who played at least 1,000 minutes Keyone had the 21st eFG with only Kris Murray and Scoot Henderson behind him. Keyonte's shooting efficiency has not simply been bad for the NBA player, it was among the worst for rookies playing meaningful minutes as well.
When you have such bad shooters as Ausar Thompson and Anthony Black being more efficient then there is some legitimate concern. Not a huge concern, but definetely something to watch for this season.
Sure but Utah was also putting out an unusually bad product for a decent portion of the season while asking Keyonte to play a new position. There's plenty of context to explain Keyonte's poor numbers that make them less concerning
I can’t tell if people are trolling or just don’t actually have any nuance when talking about these %’s. Makes it impossible to have a genuine conversation.
FG% is useless and efficiency only matters in the context of usage/degree of difficulty. I feel like this should be obvious but it’s at the center of all these posts.
FG% is useless and efficiency only matters in the context of usage/degree of difficulty. I feel like this should be obvious but it’s at the center of all these posts.
Interestingly, you did not have this "plenty of context" when commenting on another rookie who had a bad shooting season on a team putting out an unusually bad product, Scoot Henderson. You were consistently pretty hard on him.