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I disagree Gojazz. I think it is important that the Jazz right now turn around their culture and their reputation, to no longer be known as a dirty team, and to focus on learning better skills and strategies.
 
northeast said:
I disagree Gojazz. I think it is important that the Jazz right now turn around their culture and their reputation, to no longer be known as a dirty team, and to focus on learning better skills and strategies.
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If a team plays solid defense their opponents will whine that they are dirty. Deal with it.
 
Remember, Stockton was largely a "dirty" player because, among other things, he wasn't afriad to set a rock-solid pick in the lane on big guys that didn't anticipate him being there. Fully legal and good strategy and technique, but he was labeled dirty for it.

I agree whole-heartedly that defense needs to be the mantra and I hope that Corbin is able to get them playing D and focusing on good defensive fundamentals. At the same time, if you are going to be a solid defensive team, you have to want to stop the other guy as badly as he wants to score, or moreso. Which means you will knock the guy into the bleachers from time to time.

Bottom line, however, is that when the other team is doing their best impersonation of And1 and laughing at you as they high-five their way to the bench, it is time to unload a little of that frustration on them and knock the punks to the floor a couple times. At least wipe the smile off their face while they beat you by 20+.
 
northeast said:
I disagree Gojazz. I think it is important that the Jazz right now turn around their culture and their reputation, to no longer be known as a dirty team, and to focus on learning better skills and strategies.
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I honestly do not see why they cannot be both. Stockton was dirty and that guy played hard. The Jazz should turn around the current culture and be a hard playing good defensive team. No harm in setting extra hard picks, little bumps and tugs and other "dirty" things you can get away with. No reason they cannot be both. I want opposing teams to come in to a game against Utah knowing they are about to get abused both with good D and roughness.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Remember, Stockton was largely a "dirty" player because, among other things, he wasn't afriad to set a rock-solid pick in the lane on big guys that didn't anticipate him being there. Fully legal and good strategy and technique, but he was labeled dirty for it.

I agree whole-heartedly that defense needs to be the mantra and I hope that Corbin is able to get them playing D and focusing on good defensive fundamentals. At the same time, if you are going to be a solid defensive team, you have to want to stop the other guy as badly as he wants to score, or moreso. Which means you will knock the guy into the bleachers from time to time.

Bottom line, however, is that when the other team is doing their best impersonation of And1 and laughing at you as they high-five their way to the bench, it is time to unload a little of that frustration on them and knock the punks to the floor a couple times. At least wipe the smile off their face while they beat you by 20+.
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This. Rep'd

Edit: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to LogGrad98 again
 
LogGrad98 said:
Remember, Stockton was largely a "dirty" player because, among other things, he wasn't afriad to set a rock-solid pick in the lane on big guys that didn't anticipate him being there. Fully legal and good strategy and technique, but he was labeled dirty for it.

I agree whole-heartedly that defense needs to be the mantra and I hope that Corbin is able to get them playing D and focusing on good defensive fundamentals. At the same time, if you are going to be a solid defensive team, you have to want to stop the other guy as badly as he wants to score, or moreso. Which means you will knock the guy into the bleachers from time to time.

Bottom line, however, is that when the other team is doing their best impersonation of And1 and laughing at you as they high-five their way to the bench, it is time to unload a little of that frustration on them and knock the punks to the floor a couple times. At least wipe the smile off their face while they beat you by 20+.
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Gojazz79 said:
Yes, but sometimes a good hard foul is the right move.
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Sometimes, but very rarely over the course of a game. And if that is your intention, then there's a higher chance of injuring another player, getting a flagrant 2, and/or an ejection.
 
Gojazz79 said:
That is crap. Bynum tried to hurt those guys and that is clearly not what we are saying.
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???

Bottom line, however, is that when the other team is doing their best impersonation of And1 and laughing at you as they high-five their way to the bench, it is time to unload a little of that frustration on them and knock the punks to the floor a couple times. At least wipe the smile off their face while they beat you by 20+.
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THAT is crap.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Sometimes, but very rarely over the course of a game. And if that is your intention, then there's a higher chance of injuring another player, getting a flagrant 2, and/or an ejection.
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Depends on when and how you do it. Good D needs to be second nature and the culture of the Jazz. No arguement there. However in a situation like the Denver game stop letting them get easy layups and dunks. Don't cut the guys legs out as he is in the air or anything. Maybe set a really hard pick that knocks a guy on his butt. There are ways to do something and ways not to.
 
Then Numberica we will just have to agree to disagree.

Edit: Numberica I thought you were referencing Bynums hit on Barrea in the playoffs last year and the other guy he did it to (forgot his name)
 
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