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Harpring needs to be fired

Yes, the young Jazz-men need to learn how to be buffoons and embarrassments, just like Matt in his last few years. Don't play real D, just grab, and push, and pull. Fortunately the youngsters have more game than that and hopefully will be wise enough to ignore him.
 
zman1527 said:
Yes, the young Jazz-men need to learn how to be buffoons and embarrassments, just like Matt in his last few years. Don't play real D, just grab, and push, and pull. Fortunately the youngsters have more game than that and hopefully will be wise enough to ignore him.
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Sweet! Way to completely misunderstand what was said. Well done.
 
zman, thanks for posting.
yes, how about the jazz try moving their feet, blocking a shot, deflecting a pass, or poking the ball away on a dribble...
 
Joe B, you make a decent point, but the danger is that the team starts doing what Harpring wants them to do, or that Harpring starts praising players when they do make a hard foul.

They just would be much better off developing a culture of being a team that plays good defense, NOT a team that thinks good defense means fouling a lot and playing a little dirty.
 
northeast said:
Joe B, you make a decent point, but the danger is that the team starts doing what Harpring wants them to do, or that Harpring starts praising players when they do make a hard foul.

They just would be much better off developing a culture of being a team that plays good defense, NOT a team that thinks good defense means fouling a lot and playing a little dirty.
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I really think this thread is arguing two different things. Clearly you are right in the Jazz need to set a precedent and culture of good D. Help D, rotations, moving your feet...yes all of it.

What we are saying and i think Harpring as well was that in a situation like the game against Denver you to make a statement. Not the whole game and not multiple games. But a couple plays where the other team gets the point that driving in is a bad idea (in a situation last night).
 
northeast said:
Joe B, you make a decent point, but the danger is that the team starts doing what Harpring wants them to do, or that Harpring starts praising players when they do make a hard foul.

They just would be much better off developing a culture of being a team that plays good defense, NOT a team that thinks good defense means fouling a lot and playing a little dirty.
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We need to play solid defense and that includes the occasional hard foul to make opponents think twice about running down the middle of the lane. It doesn't make one iota of difference what Harpring has to say about it.
 
I disagree Gojazz. I think it is important that the Jazz right now turn around their culture and their reputation, to no longer be known as a dirty team, and to focus on learning better skills and strategies.
 
northeast said:
I disagree Gojazz. I think it is important that the Jazz right now turn around their culture and their reputation, to no longer be known as a dirty team, and to focus on learning better skills and strategies.
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If a team plays solid defense their opponents will whine that they are dirty. Deal with it.
 
Remember, Stockton was largely a "dirty" player because, among other things, he wasn't afriad to set a rock-solid pick in the lane on big guys that didn't anticipate him being there. Fully legal and good strategy and technique, but he was labeled dirty for it.

I agree whole-heartedly that defense needs to be the mantra and I hope that Corbin is able to get them playing D and focusing on good defensive fundamentals. At the same time, if you are going to be a solid defensive team, you have to want to stop the other guy as badly as he wants to score, or moreso. Which means you will knock the guy into the bleachers from time to time.

Bottom line, however, is that when the other team is doing their best impersonation of And1 and laughing at you as they high-five their way to the bench, it is time to unload a little of that frustration on them and knock the punks to the floor a couple times. At least wipe the smile off their face while they beat you by 20+.
 
northeast said:
I disagree Gojazz. I think it is important that the Jazz right now turn around their culture and their reputation, to no longer be known as a dirty team, and to focus on learning better skills and strategies.
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I honestly do not see why they cannot be both. Stockton was dirty and that guy played hard. The Jazz should turn around the current culture and be a hard playing good defensive team. No harm in setting extra hard picks, little bumps and tugs and other "dirty" things you can get away with. No reason they cannot be both. I want opposing teams to come in to a game against Utah knowing they are about to get abused both with good D and roughness.
 
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