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LogGrad98 said:
The problem is we have a bunch of #3 and borderline #2 players. Put them all together and you get a halfway decent team that will NEVER get anywhere in the playoffs as is. But they are too good to properly tank. We run a very real risk of staying in mediocre-land for the foreseeable future if we don't make some moves, or manage to turn a few of them into a true #1. Personally I am very nervous. I am not liking where we are heading right now.
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I know it means I am broken, but "good" games just fill me with dread.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The problem is we have a bunch of #3 and borderline #2 players. Put them all together and you get a halfway decent team that will NEVER get anywhere in the playoffs as is. But they are too good to properly tank. We run a very real risk of staying in mediocre-land for the foreseeable future if we don't make some moves, or manage to turn a few of them into a true #1. Personally I am very nervous. I am not liking where we are heading right now.
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The 2003-4 Pistons team was made of #2 and #3 type players. Very good, but not great. They played as a team and had very complimentary players.

While I think we do need another piece, I think a coach that can get this team to jell and play good D is even more important. We also need two good point guards.
 
JAZZGASM said:
The 2003-4 Pistons team was made of #2 and #3 type players. Very good, but not great. They played as a team and had very complimentary players.

While I think we do need another piece, I think a coach that can get this team to jell and play good D is even more important. We also need two good point guards.
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I would love to have a team like that, but they are THE exception that proves the rule. They also filled a vacuum in a terrible conference to get to the finals twice (and in a pretty poor era of basketball, too). They are also the team that couldn't stop Lebron James and a bunch of gas station attendants from beating them in a 7-game series.
 
JAZZGASM said:
The 2003-4 Pistons team was made of #2 and #3 type players. Very good, but not great. They played as a team and had very complimentary players.

While I think we do need another piece, I think a coach that can get this team to jell and play good D is even more important. We also need two good point guards.
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NUMBERICA said:
I would love to have a team like that, but they are THE exception that proves the rule. They also filled a vacuum in a terrible conference to get to the finals twice (and in a pretty poor era of basketball, too). They are also the team that couldn't stop Lebron James and a bunch of gas station attendants from beating them in a 7-game series.
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The other difference was a few of them were capable of legitimately stepping into the #1 role as needed. We have seen that a bit from Hay and Burks so far, but neither of them compare to Prince or Hamilton really. Is there anyone here who wouldn't take championship Prince/Hamilton over Hay/Burks right now?
 
LogGrad98 said:
The other difference was a few of them were capable of legitimately stepping into the #1 role as needed. We have seen that a bit from Hay and Burks so far, but neither of them compare to Prince or Hamilton really. Is there anyone here who wouldn't take championship Prince/Hamilton over Hay/Burks right now?
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To me that team was not about prince and hamilton as much as it was about chauncy billups and rasheed on offense and ben wallace on defense.

I think rip and tayshon were the role players of that team
 
fishonjazz said:
To me that team was not about prince and hamilton as much as it was about chauncy billups and rasheed on offense and ben wallace on defense.

I think rip and tayshon were the role players of that team
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Oh they were, but in reality that is what Hayward and Burks are for us. Neither one is a top option, realistically, and both Hamilton and Prince had games they took over that year to help them win, in their own way.
 
JAZZGASM said:
The 2003-4 Pistons team was made of #2 and #3 type players. Very good, but not great. They played as a team and had very complimentary players.

While I think we do need another piece, I think a coach that can get this team to jell and play good D is even more important. We also need two good point guards.
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All Im going to say is 2003-2004 was a weak era, like Numb said.

Hayward HAS to go.. no option here. This guy wants superstar money, and I just dont see him made out for that. If Alec Burks develops a mid range game, can bury the 3 consistently next year.. sure, give him the $. Hayward is in contract year for us at the absolute worst time.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
All Im going to say is 2003-2004 was a weak era, like Numb said.

Hayward HAS to go.. no option here. This guy wants superstar money, and I just dont see him made out for that. If Alec Burks develops a mid range game, can bury the 3 consistently next year.. sure, give him the $. Hayward is in contract year for us at the absolute worst time.
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I want Hayward back. But if Lindsey estimates his RFA offer is 13 plus, he has to look to deal him.
 
JAZZGASM said:
The 2003-4 Pistons team was made of #2 and #3 type players. Very good, but not great. They played as a team and had very complimentary players.

While I think we do need another piece, I think a coach that can get this team to jell and play good D is even more important. We also need two good point guards.
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Please see my sig.
 
yamers said:
i seriously think we could grab Boston's 1st rounder.
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But boston and cleveland have about the same record, so if we can get clevelands first rounder and a young cheap player then isn't that a better deal?

(though maybe we dont want the player cause he might hurt the tank?)
 
LogGrad98 said:
Oh they were, but in reality that is what Hayward and Burks are for us. Neither one is a top option, realistically, and both Hamilton and Prince had games they took over that year to help them win, in their own way.
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If Hayward and Burks aren't the top options on this team who is?? Who do you think is their top options?? Both Alec and Gordon have put this team on their backs for wins, and will continue to do so.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
If Hayward and Burks aren't the top options on this team who is?? Who do you think is their top options?? Both Alec and Gordon have put this team on their backs for wins, and will continue to do so.
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Not right this moment. Of course they are now. I mean of a contending team, one that actually has a shot at a championship. Neither Burks nor Hayward will ever be the player that wills their team to tough playoff wins and drives them to a championship. If we are going to settle for either of them as the long term top option then we are settling for a 7/8 seed or 14th pick for the long-term.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Not right this moment. Of course they are now. I mean of a contending team, one that actually has a shot at a championship. Neither Burks nor Hayward will ever be the player that wills their team to tough playoff wins and drives them to a championship. If we are going to settle for either of them as the long term top option then we are settling for a 7/8 seed or 14th pick for the long-term.
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The only problem I have with this is that they really haven't been tried. I could care less if a guy makes it to an All-Star game. Those are too commercial to really be used as a true value of a player's worth. I want good players who are driven to win. From what I've seen so far, Hayward (in past seasons), Favors and Burke are in that category. Without those three players, this team is competing with Milwaukee for the bottom spot. Burks has flashed killer potential and seems to have more upside than I thought he'd have. I just want to see him do it consistently with him, Hayward and Burke on the court at the same time. I have no idea what to think of Kanter because the playing time has been limited and sporadic.

I'm not a big fan of Ty Corbin. I'm hoping that they move on because I think that a different coach will get more out of this roster and take them further as individuals and as a group. I'm hoping that DL can get a guy like Popovitch who can maximize his talent. If he does, then I think they can be something special.
 
LogGrad98 said:
True. I just can't believe he hasn't finished project euler yet.
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Heh. I haven't done any of those in months. Around problem 130 or so they started getting REALLY HARD. And I mean "need a math PhD to even start" hard. It was a lot of fun while I was still making progress, though. :-)
 
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