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Hayward as a SF......never again.

Beantown

Beantown

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Though he did play great D on Iggy it was only because Iggy is a permiter player. Hayward has great perimeter defense and its hard for any SG to shoot over an athletic 6'8 player, but Hayward can't bang down low which is the main reason he shouldnt play SF.

Also Hayward is the heartbeat of the offense and on average the ball should be in his hands more than anyone else's. Harris should push the ball hard and if their is nothing kick it back to Hayward and let him run a play.


If Hayward isn't our starting 2 guard tomorrow I'm going to go ape ****.

Harris
Hayward
Miles.....though I think Howard will be starting here soon.
 
Beantown said:
Though he did play great D on Iggy it was only because Iggy is a permiter player. Hayward has great perimeter defense and its hard for any SG to shoot over an athletic 6'8 player, but Hayward can't bang down low which is the main reason he shouldnt play SF.

Also Hayward is the heartbeat of the offense and on average the ball should be in his hands more than anyone else's. Harris should push the ball hard and if their is nothing kick it back to Hayward and let him run a play.


If Hayward isn't our starting 2 guard tomorrow I'm going to go ape ****.

Harris
Hayward
Miles.....though I think Howard will be starting here soon.
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Ahhhhhhh another convert. I love it. How do you feel about Favors at center?
 
For my money: #2 Hayward--Permanent start, no matter what. I don't care if he has a bad string of games, he's part of the teams future and he'll be our two. #3 Howard. I like the idea of miles and Jefferson in the 2nd unit, both with the capability to go off offensively.
 
Beantown said:
Perimeter doesn't just mean three pointers. Iggy shoots jumpers or drives it in. He isn't a post up SF.
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I regret nothing.

He did just fine on Iggy. He'll still get torched by a Carmelo or Lebron, but who doesn't?
 
I was sold on Hayward at SG after he slayed the black mamba and became the white mamba. After this game, a new avy was in order.
 
I have told it millions of times that Hayward has a great advantage at 2 but he has a physical disadvantage starting at 3. Once he has shooting consistency and doesn't give lazy passes that the opponent may interrupt easily, he will be the best SG of his draft year. (better than wesley johnson and evan turner)

But the only problem with him starting at 2 is, if Burks will become a great talent as we hope, how will we use them both? Burks+Hayward physically too low to defend 2-3 together
 
If Hayward is the heartbeat of our offense (like one has said) than we are screwed. He is an ok defender at best. An ok offensive player at BEST. If Ty Corbin continues to start Hayward I would fire him. Hayward as our heatbeat? We need an open heart surgery performed then. I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm just saying if he was the heatbeat in my chest, I would get a pacemaker. Lakers heartbeat is Kobe, Chicago is Rose, Heat is Lebron, Wade, New York is Melo, Utah Jazz is GORDON HAYWARD. Not a good look. Let's trade him for a floor mop.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
If Hayward is the heartbeat of our offense (like one has said) than we are screwed. He is an ok defender at best. An ok offensive player at BEST. If Ty Corbin continues to start Hayward I would fire him. Hayward as our heatbeat? We need an open heart surgery performed then. I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm just saying if he was the heatbeat in my chest, I would get a pacemaker. Lakers heartbeat is Kobe, Chicago is Rose, Heat is Lebron, Wade, New York is Melo, Utah Jazz is GORDON HAYWARD. Not a good look. Let's trade him for a floor mop.
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Hayward has intangibles you're not giving him credit for. When he is running the offense the Jazz become a completely different team. I look forward to seeing what it would look like if Burks plays alongside him in the back court.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Hayward has intangibles you're not giving him credit for. When he is running the offense the Jazz become a completely different team. I look forward to seeing what it would look like if Burks plays alongside him in the back court.
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Seriously.....
What is this guys problem?
I thought the Jazz looked really together tonight when Hayward was running the offense.
In no means do I think he should start as a point guard or anything (because hopefully Devin Harris can keep showing that kind of leadership), but when he runs the offense it reminds me of a partial triangle offense.
This new offense has intangibles that remind me of the old Sloan offense, mixed with the Lakers old triangle offense.
Now that I've seen these guys run it pretty well, it looks like it can be pretty formidable when ran correctly.

Oh.... and don't worry about Hayward on the defensive end, because I guarantee he will just continue to get better.
Come on now, he's still a baby :-)
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
If Hayward is the heartbeat of our offense (like one has said) than we are screwed. He is an ok defender at best. An ok offensive player at BEST. If Ty Corbin continues to start Hayward I would fire him. Hayward as our heatbeat? We need an open heart surgery performed then. I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm just saying if he was the heatbeat in my chest, I would get a pacemaker. Lakers heartbeat is Kobe, Chicago is Rose, Heat is Lebron, Wade, New York is Melo, Utah Jazz is GORDON HAYWARD. Not a good look. Let's trade him for a floor mop.
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Oh so your saying that because Gordon Hayward doesn't have some dumbass nickname, that he can't be the heartbeat of a teams offense?
How is it not a good look?
I wasn't aware that this was a ****ing beauty contest.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
If Hayward is the heartbeat of our offense (like one has said) than we are screwed. He is an ok defender at best. An ok offensive player at BEST. If Ty Corbin continues to start Hayward I would fire him. Hayward as our heatbeat? We need an open heart surgery performed then. I'm not saying he's horrible, I'm just saying if he was the heatbeat in my chest, I would get a pacemaker. Lakers heartbeat is Kobe, Chicago is Rose, Heat is Lebron, Wade, New York is Melo, Utah Jazz is GORDON HAYWARD. Not a good look. Let's trade him for a floor mop.
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So blind and by choice no less. Being the heartbeat does not necesarily mean the guy that makes 30 ppg. How about the guy that makes it all flow and work. As far as when melo was in Denver I would have called Billups the heartbeat of that offense not Melo.
 
I think Ty likes the flexibility of moving Hayward from 3 to 2, but I would be surprised if he starts him at the 2. When was the last time the Jazz had a wing that they could run the offense through....NEVER. Hayward can consistently drive, which is a valuable NBA skill. If he can develop a pull-up jumper like he hit at the end of the game, he could be great.
 
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