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Hayward Doesn't mind coming off the bench.

And people wonder why Burks isn't playing. Here are two players getting "demoted". One works harder. Another sulks and demands a trade.
 
I like Hayward off the bench too. Not that he's not a starting caliber player-- he is-- but he's not a good fit in our starting lineup right now.

When Hayward starts, he's the third option, behind Jefferson and Millsap. Most of his game as a starter is throwing the ball down low to Jefferson.

When Hayward comes off the bench, he's the man. First option. He gets more touches, more offense, and more playmaking.

Next year is Hayward's year.
 
Xsy said:
I like Hayward off the bench too. Not that he's not a starting caliber player-- he is-- but he's not a good fit in our starting lineup right now.

When Hayward starts, he's the third option, behind Jefferson and Millsap. Most of his game as a starter is throwing the ball down low to Jefferson.

When Hayward comes off the bench, he's the man. First option. He gets more touches, more offense, and more playmaking.

Next year is Hayward's year.
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Actually, i think this year is Hayward's year - meaning that it is great that he gets to play with his other youngens to see what they can do. While starting is a big deal socially, this experiment with Hayward should (hopefully) show the anticipated excellence of the youth...
 
Got to love Hayward. He's playing a lot better since coming off the bench. Whatever works he's ok with, as long as he plays.
That's why we like this kid
 
Hotttnickkk said:
May be you should stop being an idiot. Have you thought of that?
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Trolls don't have brains. Just stop responding and feeding the troll
green said:
And people wonder why Burks isn't playing. Here are two players getting "demoted". One works harder. Another sulks and demands a trade.
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I wouldn't call Hayward to the second unit a demotion, as he plays less with Al and Millsap. Also did Burks demand a trade or just speculation on your part. As for me if he isn't going to play trade him!
Zulu said:
So do bad teams..... Just sayin'!!!!
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cctrackstar said:
I've heard this before, and he confirmed in this article that Hayward doesn't mind coming off the bench:

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/55311850-87/jazz-hayward-utah-bench.html.csp

My question is do we like this or not? On the one hand it means that he is more flexible as far as how he is used and he won't be a locker room cancer or a pouty Millsap - er player I mean.

On the other hand, does this mean that he doesn't have the fire to truly be great?

I know he's really competitive, I have heard about how he is really pissed if he loses a game of one on one. Do we call BS on him being fine with coming off the bench? Is he just really good at PR stuff? I think of all of the players, he is the one who is most likely to be ok with it, but that brings us back to the question: Are we ok with him being ok with it?
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I don't know if I like him being a bench player in general, but with the starting lineup the way it is he absolutely needs to be off the bench. Who can operate effectively with a PG who can barely pass and a C who dominates the ball.
 
HeavenHarris said:
you gotta wonder, would hayward be coming off the bench if he were black?
maybe hayward has just accepted the reverse racialism in the NBA at this point.
maybe, he needs to insert himself into the starting lineup and refuse to go to the bench until officials physically force him.
I'm not saying Hayward has the opportunity to be the NBA's reverse Rosa Parks, but I'm not saying he doesn't, either.
You decide.
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What is with your bizarre obsession with race? You taking over CJ's role here?
 
green said:
And people wonder why Burks isn't playing. Here are two players getting "demoted". One works harder. Another sulks and demands a trade.
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Yeah, in the two games Hayward went to the bench he's averaging more points and 10 less minutes, but only because the Jazz had closed out their last two games by the beginning of the 4th and because Ty's substitution patters are bizarre. Plus he's handing the ball way more with the 2nd unit. Hardly a demotion.

Burks on the other hand has averaged a whopping 8 minutes of playing time in the game's he's played. No wonder why he's sulking, that idiot Ty won't give him a chance out there. But Foye can put up a three game stretch of averaging 5 points and shooting 23% from the field and still get 20+ minutes a game. I guess when you're a streak shooter and can rack some 3s on occasion you get minutes no matter what. And I don't even hate Foye, in fact I like his 3 point shooting. But he seems to get away with a lot more bad stretches of play than Burks does.
 
HeavenHarris said:
you gotta wonder, would hayward be coming off the bench if he were black?
maybe hayward has just accepted the reverse racialism in the NBA at this point.
maybe, he needs to insert himself into the starting lineup and refuse to go to the bench until officials physically force him.
I'm not saying Hayward has the opportunity to be the NBA's reverse Rosa Parks, but I'm not saying he doesn't, either.
You decide.
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4/10
/you got some bites
 
I'm not wild about Hayward being on the 2nd unit, but the silver lining is he might learn how to be a more effective driver. He's not a good finisher off the drive, but he has shown flashes of that stop and pop move which could be his weapon. And he's a terrific passer off the drive even if he more often sets up guys for long jump shots than finds easy layups.

The alpha dog training in Olympic practices obviously didn't take. So he needs "practice" doing it in games which could help him in the long run.
 
When Hayward starts, he's the third option, behind Jefferson and Millsap. Most of his game as a starter is throwing the ball down low to Jefferson.
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Hmm, well here's a question then: Who is better; Hayward or Jefferson/Millsap? Should Hayward be behind these guys based on NOW ability (not potential) or is Hayward backing off to avoid conflict? If Hayward is better than these guys than shouldn't they be passing the ball to him?

Me personally, I think at least offensively Al is better than Hayward while Hayward has a leg up on Millsap. I know others will disagree.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Got to love Hayward. He's playing a lot better since coming off the bench. Whatever works he's ok with, as long as he plays.
That's why we like this kid
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confused on this overall sentiment

Starting
ppg-13.3
fg-45%
apg-2.1
3% - 32.3%
reb - 3.3
blk - 0.7
stl - 0.9


Bench
ppg - 15ppg
fg%- 40.1%
ast - 3
3% - 28.6%
reb - 2.5
blk - 0.5
stl - 0.5

Not really seeing how thats "playing a lot better"
 
jope said:
confused on this overall sentiment

Starting
ppg-13.3
fg-45%
apg-2.1
3% - 32.3%
reb - 3.3
blk - 0.7
stl - 0.9


Bench
ppg - 15ppg
fg%- 40.1%
ast - 3
3% - 28.6%
reb - 2.5
blk - 0.5
stl - 0.5

Not really seeing how thats "playing a lot better"
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Well he's averaging 2 more PPG in 10 less minutes on the court. Though with 2 games it's a really small sample size. I think most of it is just the proverbial eyeball test where it seems like he's more active and controls the ball more with the 2nd unit.
 
Nate505 said:
Well he's averaging 2 more PPG in 10 less minutes on the court. Though with 2 games it's a really small sample size. I think most of it is just the proverbial eyeball test where it seems like he's more active and controls the ball more with the 2nd unit.
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More points at lower %s isn't necessarily a good thing.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty tired of our offense being held hostage by Jefferson-Millsap. Everything is shifting around because of those perceived needs. Bleh.
 
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