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Hayward excitement level

Fair enough on Kawaii being #5. Steph, KD, Lebron, AD (in no order I put above him. I agree I would take him over Harden, Westbrook, and CP3 that ESPN put him below at the first of the year.

I guess my point is SA isn't great because they have a guy that takes over games when needed. This year their greatness comes from a system/culture/coach, not top players. It will be interested to see if they do it with that method.
 
b_line said:
So I understand the sentiment here, but the problem is that Max Money player and franchise star are not one and the same. The market where Hayward got a max deal necessitated the money. Any team in the league would pay him that money, so he is a "market max" guy. There are players (Kanter) who got more money, but they are obviously a worse piece for the team. In 3 years, a Hayward type player will probably get less than the max, and that is what he is really worth, but right now, if a player has even a hint of all star potential, they are a max player, at least for the last two offseasons and possibly this coming one.

Also, Hayward is freaking good. Not great, but pretty damn good.
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You can't blame Hayward for taking the money. If someone offered me a $500K/year salary for being the 30th best worker in my company, ****, I take the money and let the haters hate.
 
akirac73 said:
You can't blame Hayward for taking the money. If someone offered me a $500K/year salary for being the 30th best worker in my company, ****, I take the money and let the haters hate.
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Absolutely. Although I think he is borderline top 20 guy in the NBA. Favors is slightly better.
 
vegas said:
Fair enough on Kawaii being #5. Steph, KD, Lebron, AD (in no order I put above him. I agree I would take him over Harden, Westbrook, and CP3 that ESPN put him below at the first of the year.

I guess my point is SA isn't great because they have a guy that takes over games when needed. This year their greatness comes from a system/culture/coach, not top players. It will be interested to see if they do it with that method.
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I would say this year, Kawhi has been better than AD
 
b_line said:
Absolutely. Although I think he is borderline top 20 guy in the NBA. Favors is slightly better.
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Favors is not as great as you've been making him out to be. He wouldn't be top 20 even if he wasn't completely invisible one out of every three games he plays.
 
Siro said:
Favors is not as great as you've been making him out to be. He wouldn't be top 20 even if he wasn't completely invisible one out of every three games he plays.
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Bro. He hasn't been playing. That's why you can't see him.
 
fishonjazz said:
Well that's simply retarded.
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Not as much as it sounds.

Draymond is the only person in the top 15 in the league in both rebounds and assists. He's leading the Dubs in assists and is the only non-guard in the top 15. His overall stats are 14.7 points, 9.6 rebounds (leads the team), 7.5 assists (leads the team), 1.4 blocks, 1.3 steals (17th in league--ahead of Favors), and is quite clearly an elite defensive presence and their best defender as well as their locomotive and that which makes them run not just emotionally (great, great leader--best in the league imo) but in many ways, functionally, with his ability to run the point forward and find open shots for their shooters as well as himself, in stretching the floor.
 
Not sure we'd be selling Hayward low right now, but hes not playing well enough to warrant the player we want in return.
 
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