Hayward has agreed to an offer with Hornets

[Hotdog]

It's incredible to watch the same lame posters who cheered on the ak47 for max deal are cheering on this deal.

I guess you really can't fix stupid.

Who is cheering the deal? I don't think anyone is exactly excited and cheering. Some thing keeping him is the better of two evils. AK was a different animal. He had loads of potential at the time. Who knew he'd be injured so often and lazy to boot? I wish we would have kept Matthews.

I just want the Jazz to get players that make the team better and fun to watch. Of the players available now that seem like a good long-term fit, Hayward and Parsons are the best available. (at least based on who will likely come here).

I challenge you to name 3 posters "cheering" this deal.

Lol

Thriller is living in his own reality.

I think he just wants to argue and be mad. He's starting to act like GVC and NUMBERICA.

 

[l Abach l]

AK's deal only really sucked because he was constantly hurt and it was a couple years too long. Had he been healthy it wouldn't have been great, but what else were we going to do?

Nobody likes this deal... It's the choice between something crappy and something less crappy. I don't think it is as obvious as either side thinks it is.

Lol. Wrong. He got healthy and naturally became the team's 4th option through obtaining players in the draft and FREE AGENCY. It's so similar to Hayward's situation. Don't match and move on. Here's a nice refresher on the AK situation and tell me how it's sooooo different.

https://saltcityhoops.com/the-andrei-kirilenko-albatross/

 

[Dr. Jones]

The poll is 49 for/76 against.
I find that interesting. Last summer I don't think anyone was in favor of giving Hayward a max deal. So did he have a monster season to convince 40% of people otherwise?

I believe 48 of the 49 accidentally voted incorrectly.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I've thought your takes were odd. Then I noticed your location. Makes sense now.

I'm a transplant... say what you want about my takes, but pick them apart logically. Don't just try and make fun of people.

 

[Stifle Tower]

1) AK's contract was for $26M MORE and a longer commitment.
2) AK was injury prone which limited his effectiveness. Even when we extended him his back had troubled him.
3) At the time, most experts believed AK was better than Gasol, who got a max contact at the time. It put the Jazz in a tough situation.
4) AK was a weirdo muppet looking russian who would rather read in the locker room instead of working on his game.
5) AK had Sloan to make him look GOOD. The 2004 team concept would have made Hayward look even better. Hayward had Corbin to make him look BAD.
6) The Jazz were ultimately hurt by the prohibitive length of the contract. Hayward's deal would be 3-4 years. The Jazz can look that far ahead and determine that it won't cause the same luxury tax pains that paying AK caused for 2009/10 and 2010/11.
7) THE SALARY CAP WHEN AK EXTENDED WAS $43M. It is at $63M now and projected to go up, and Hayward is getting paid less. It does not have the same impact on the team.

But besides that, you are right. Same animal. SMDH.

You're comparing apples to oranges. The only thing we know is Hayward is guaranteed to take up around 23% of the cap for 3 years. After that, he can opt out like James, Lebron and others are doing and seek a 5/30% deal.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'm a transplant... say what you want about my takes, but pick them apart logically. Don't just try and make fun of people.

Nope. I'm on vacation.. and only making fun of people atm.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Rep to whomever posts actual negative comments from the Charlotte fans. (does Charlotte have fans??)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lol. Wrong. He got healthy and naturally became the team's 4th option through obtaining players in the draft and FREE AGENCY. It's so similar to Hayward's situation. Don't match and move on. Here's a nice refresher on the AK situation and tell me how it's sooooo different.

https://saltcityhoops.com/the-andrei-kirilenko-albatross/

He was an odd fit the way the rest of the roster was constructed after the deal, but could have been moved had his deal been shorter. Ideally AK would have played the 4, but he wasn't as good as Boozer. When he was healthy he helped the team win.

I don't think it is exactly the same.

I'd be shocked if we let him walk for nothing... I'm hoping we sign and trade, but if not his deal will not kill our flexibility.

 

[Stoked]

Yeah that is the worst-case scenario so you just wait until you are forced to do that.

Who really knows what Hayward even wanted last year... He may have asked for the Max... His agent is doing work.

I just recently read that Hayward wanted 13 mill and the Jazz were holding firm at 12. Think it was Grantland...

 

[Coach Ellis]

The poll is 49 for/76 against.
I find that interesting. Last summer I don't think anyone was in favor of giving Hayward a max deal. So did he have a monster season to convince 40% of people otherwise?

No. The options have now been forced into context. I'm pretty sure that many would have been fine with extending him at a number similar to or slightly above what Favors got. That was my position at the time. Of course, my position also would have included firing Corbin mid-season and supporting all of our young players to see what they were capable of - that didn't happen. Option A. Match the contract that you don't like and in the process, overpay for a player that you still believe in. . . or Option B. Do not match the contract, keep cap flexibility and then look to replace him at a lower cost.

I pick A. I think that he's going to be better than ANY free agent that the Jazz can get right now. If they're going to have to overpay to get guys to play in Utah, they need to either already be on the team, or they need to be young enough to grow and develop still. Gordon Hayward fits both criteria. Do I like the contract? No. But I don't see it as being anywhere near as toxic as some are making it out to be. I don't think that it sets a precedent. I don't think that it's even relative to how he played last year. Everybody sucked last year under Corbin's lame-duck status and missing the vets. It was expected. I think that he still has room to grow and I'd love to see him play in a better system and for a better coach. That's why I'd match the contract.

Had they just negotiated up to $13 million last year instead of waiting to let another team set the market, I think many would have looked at his contract as a bargain after Monroe, Bledsoe and Parsons all get paid here in the very, very near future. I hope they learn their effing lesson and get Kanter and Burks locked up next week. Especially Burks. Most people figure Exum is going to fill his spot, but I have a feeling that Burks is going to do very well under Snyder.

 

[Stoked]

The poll is 49 for/76 against.
I find that interesting. Last summer I don't think anyone was in favor of giving Hayward a max deal. So did he have a monster season to convince 40% of people otherwise?

Go ask those 40 people they said do it. I am sure you will get 2 dozen different answers.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Go ask those 40 people they said do it. I am sure you will get 2 dozen different answers.

Predict the 24 answers.. (could be fun)