Hayward has agreed to an offer with Hornets

[Handlogten's Heros]

So wait...you really think DL took on 7MM in salary to get a 2nd rounder? GTFO. He likes Novak, bash him for that if you want.

You GTFO... regardless of if he like him or not the fact is his contract wasn't great. I don't think anyone was rushing into trade for Novak so I'd try to get more. You can value the player and still get other good stuff... Ainge might like Thornton, put he was still able to squeeze additional assets out of the deal.

Again... not a huge deal just feel like he didn't get fair value in the trade. If guys like Novak is what our salary cap flexibility gets us now and in the future then its really not that valuable... resign Hayward to the max and pay the other guys what you need to.

 

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SERIOUS QUESTIONS:

Who puts that kind of trade-kicker in a deal with one of the two the worst franchises in NBA history? A ****ing bitch does. That's the wrinkle in this whole deal that lets me know how much Gordon is motivated by money, plain-and-simple.

[re-post]: What kind of 23-year old millionaire -- who is about to become even more super-rich -- marries an 18-year old after a short courtship? -- whom he met quickly after breaking up with a long-term girlfriend? A ****ing bitch does. That's enough of a window into his psyche; it illustrates to me that he shouldn't have the keys to an NBA franchise.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It's incredible to watch the same lame posters who cheered on the ak47 for max deal are cheering on this deal.

I guess you really can't fix stupid.

 

[Fishsticks]

You GTFO... regardless of if he like him or not the fact is his contract wasn't great. I don't think anyone was rushing into trade for Novak so I'd try to get more. You can value the player and still get other good stuff... Ainge might like Thornton, put he was still able to squeeze additional assets out of the deal.

Again... not a huge deal just feel like he didn't get fair value in the trade. If guys like Novak is what our salary cap flexibility gets us now and in the future then its really not that valuable... resign Hayward to the max and pay the other guys what you need to.

LOL

 

[Stifle Tower]

The difference between Novak and another veteran is roughly 2.5 M per year for two years... which is almost exactly equal to the universally agreed fair price for Hayward and the Max contract. I agree it's not a big deal... but I also am pro-matching Hayward. I think it is inconsistent to say the Novak deal is no big deal, but Hayward's salary torpedoes all hope of doing other deals to make the team better and affects extensions that won't occur for 3 years.

I don't think salaries are tight in a few years... first, not sure the Burks or Kanter will require the extensions that Hayward got... second, the cap is going up. We will be able to retain our current talent regardless of what we do with Hayward.

Deng is not a backup, but Carroll... sure. I actually wouldn't sign Deng for $10 M... too much tread on the tires.

I don't think hayward deal precludes us from anything that would be available to us otherwise.

The fair price for Hayward is $13.75M?
I think that would be a couple million high. But you're missing the point. For two years, the Jazz will likely be UNDER the salary floor. Heck, I wouldn't care if they paid YOU $3M. It's money that will be spent either on acquired players or as a year-end bonus to the existing roster players.

Hayward's cap hit in years 3 and 4 will be $15.5M and $16M million - if he makes it to year 4. He can opt out after the third season and demand a contract for $20M+ as a 7-year vet. You don't think he does that, especially after he and his agent have essentially said "screw you, Lindsey" by having that option and the trade kicker put into the offer sheet? This is EXACTLY what Lebron is doing to Miami right now.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's incredible to watch the same lame posters who cheered on the ak47 for max deal are cheering on this deal.

I guess you really can't fix stupid.

Jazzfanz existed and had alot of the same posters when ak signed that deal? (When was that, like 2004)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The fair price for Hayward is $13.75M?
I think that would be a couple million high. But you're missing the point. For two years, the Jazz will likely be UNDER the salary floor. Heck, I wouldn't care if they paid YOU $3M. It's money that will be spent either on acquired players or as a year-end bonus to the existing roster players.

Hayward's cap hit in years 3 and 4 will be $15.5M and $16M million - if he makes it to year 4. He can opt out after the third season and demand a contract for $20M+ as a 7-year vet. You don't think he does that, especially after he and his agent have essentially said "screw you, Lindsey" by having that option and the trade kicker put into the offer sheet? This is EXACTLY what Lebron is doing to Miami right now.

So for two years the Hayward deal is okay then... because we have to spend the money right?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Jazzfanz existed and had alot of the same posters when ak signed that deal? (When was that, like 2004)

Or, who said we should have waited to let the market set the price. We've done that with Hayward and now many are saying we should have locked him up last year.
I'm too lazy to search thread after thread, but I wonder if ANYONE on this board was in favor of just giving Hayward what he was asking for last summer.

 

[JAZZGASM]

It's incredible to watch the same lame posters who cheered on the ak47 for max deal are cheering on this deal.

I guess you really can't fix stupid.

Who is cheering the deal? I don't think anyone is exactly excited and cheering. Some thing keeping him is the better of two evils. AK was a different animal. He had loads of potential at the time. Who knew he'd be injured so often and lazy to boot? I wish we would have kept Matthews.

I just want the Jazz to get players that make the team better and fun to watch. Of the players available now that seem like a good long-term fit, Hayward and Parsons are the best available. (at least based on who will likely come here).

 

[l Abach l]

It's incredible to watch the same lame posters who cheered on the ak47 for max deal are cheering on this deal.

I guess you really can't fix stupid.

This. It's so painfully similar - versatile point forward as #1 option (that is the reason AK's stats were inflated) on a stinky *** team, loads of cap space... we knew what AK brought to the table. We know what Hayward brings. No reason to jump the gun when we can WAIT on something better. Indeed you can't fix stupid

 

[Stoked]

This. It's so painfully similar - versatile point forward as #1 option (that is the reason AK's stats were inflated) on a stinky *** team, loads of cap space... we knew what AK brought to the table. We know what Hayward brings. No reason to jump the gun when we can WAIT on something better. Indeed you can't fix stupid

I challenge you to name 3 posters "cheering" this deal.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Or, who said we should have waited to let the market set the price. We've done that with Hayward and now many are saying we should have locked him up last year.
I'm too lazy to search thread after thread, but I wonder if ANYONE on this board was in favor of just giving Hayward what he was asking for last summer.

Who was for not signing him last year? Letting a player be a RFA often bites you in the butt. It is not like this is a new concept...